Thread: "Russophobia" and "Russophilia" :)

Originally Posted by Hanna

Yes I was referring to that kind of stuff. It's one thing to treat everybody with respect and humanity; it's quite another thing to allow porn clubs, pride parades and demo condoms to 12 year olds in school. I have conservative values on that front because I believe that anything else is destructive to society in the long run. At least more so than the alternatives. This kind of stuff originated in the USA, but Europeans have been all too quick to emulate most of it.

Other things that seems "self-destructive" to me in the the USA, is that it is beginning to be the norm with 1-2 shooting sprees per month. Wouldn't happen if they restricted gun ownership and didn't constantly show violent shows on TV and allow perversely violent video games. The fact that this happens so much is a sign of a society that is twisted.

I think a lot of US culture just appeals to the lowest human instincts; sex and violence.
I just think that violence should never be glorified and sex is a private matter.

But if the main objective is to sell, and for the seller to get rich and money is the highest virtue, then it's just logical that the most easy-to-sell concepts, products and lifestyle will always win out.

And the wars. The USA is just spreading chaos and destruction in its path. How many failures is it going to take until they stop invading other countries. Or will nothing short of a taste of its own medicine, or the dollar bubble popping do the trick.

And this isn't actually attacking just the USA, rockzmom! So don't take it personally if at all possible! (People like you make me think the USA can't be all evil...) I can go on a long tirade about my own country, that has some extremely weird and very destructive stuff going on. Or Europe in general. So sure - I am anti-American, in many respects but I am anti a lot of things that go on in Europe too. And most of the things that America starts, Europe quickly lashes on to.

I respect the Russians for rejecting a lot of this, and for not shying away from taking the slack for doing so. And I have noticed that more and more Europeans seem to begin to take notice.

The U.S. culture and set of lifestyles are way more diverse than this, but I guess those anti-American people have hard times realizing that, if any at all. Ironically, people in the South, who are the biggest gun owners in numbers, are also the biggest followers of the traditional family values. The absolute most of people in the U.S. use their guns to prevent violence, not to start it. Corrupted minds start violence, not the gun your hands hold.

My two points I think I should make here are: First, gun possession and movies featuring violence don't really cause violence to be carried out in real life, and neither do porn movies or night clubs people go to for casual sex destruct family values. Some people just have to relax at times, others just have other values, and you just cannot enforce yours on them, so even if those options were unavailable, they would still find something else. And it's all about freedom of choice. People have to have as many options as possible, and they'll make their choice based on their hearts and minds, anyway. Second, every country has problems. If you can find issues like school shooters in some states, fine, but why get so fanatical about those? Making it a feature of the whole country's culture and way of life is totally irrational. For that matter, one could say one of the biggest features of the Russian culture are alcoholism and amazingly bad roads, and they would be immediately labeled the biggest russophobes history has ever known. Then why go that way about other countries? Maybe every one of us should just fight all those nasty little phobias inside us, and not let them take over our common sense?

Originally Posted by Eric C.

The U.S. culture and set of lifestyles are way more diverse than this, but I guess those anti-American people have hard times realizing that, if any at all.

Thosr anyi-Russian people kept repeating stupid propaganda stereotypes for a long time. What "reslization" did you expect in return?

The absolute most of people in the U.S. use their guns to prevent violence, not to start it. Corrupted minds start violence, not the gun your hands hold.

THat's pretty questionable. A corrupted mind without a gun can't kill that many ppl as with.

The absolute most of people in the U.S. use their guns to prevent violence

How many ordinary americans are ready (in reality) to kill another american even for self defence?

But anyways here's another stereotype about gun control in russia.
Russian gun law in some aspects is more liberal than american federal one. And far more liberal than those in europe.
Russia is ninth in world rating of public gun posession ratio. (which i personally don't like. having spent some time in army i can't imagine a situation in my everyday life when i would need one)

here are the requirements for a gun purchaser in russia

Общий список необходимых документов для получения разрешения на гладкоствольное, охотничье оружие

1. Ксерокопия гражданского паспорта (страница с фотографией и пропиской),
2. Медицинская справка 046-1 (комплексная оружейная справка),
3. Квитанция об оплате единовременных сборов,
4. Фотография 3х4 (4шт.на матовой бумаге),
5. Рапорт участкового инспектора о проверке условий хранения оружия (металлический ящик, сейф для хранения оружия)
6. Заявление гражданина.
7. Обязательная сдача экзамена по знанию условий хранения, ношения и применения оружия.


Для получения лицензии на покупку нарезного оружия

Вы в своем ОЛРР по месту жительства должны взять справку, подтверждающую стаж владения гладкоствольным оружием.
Вы предоставляете документы:
1. Ксерокопия гражданского паспорта (страница с фотографией и пропиской),
2. Медицинская справка 046-1 (комплексная оружейная справка),
3. Квитанция об оплате единовременных сборов,
4. Фотография 3х4 (4шт.на матовой бумаге),
5. Рапорт участкового инспектора о проверке условий хранения оружия (металлический ящик, сейф для хранения оружия)
6. Заявление гражданина.
7. Обязательная сдача экзамена по знанию условий хранения, ношения и применения оружия.
но согласно Закону об оружии, вы имеете право приобрести нарезное оружие , только при 5-летнем стаже владения гладкоствольным охотничьим оружием.
Документы в случае получения лицензии на нарезное оружие , сдаются не в районный Отдел Лицензионно-Разрешительной работы, а в Окружной ОЛРР.
Срок рассмотрения заявления на получение лицензии на покупку нарезного оружия от 30 дней.


Общий список необходимых документов для получения лицензии на травматическое оружие

1. Ксерокопия гражданского паспорта (страница с фотографией и пропиской),
2. Медицинская справка 046-1 (комплексная оружейная справка),
3. Квитанция об оплате единовременных сборов,
4. Фотография 3х4 (4шт.на матовой бумаге),
5. Рапорт участкового инспектора о проверке условий хранения оружия (металлический ящик, сейф для хранения оружия)
6. Заявление гражданина.
7. Обязательная сдача экзамена по знанию условий хранения, ношения и применения оружия.

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1. Вам менее 18 лет;
2. Вы имеете непогашенную судимость;
3. Вы совершили повторно в течение года административное правонарушение, посягающее на общественный порядок, – например, хулиганство;
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Без лицензии приобретаются:

• механические распылители;
• аэрозольные и другие устройства, снаряженные слезоточивыми или раздражающими веществами;
• электрошоковые устройства и искровые разрядники отечественного производства;
• пневматическое оружие с дульной энергией не более 7,5 Дж и калибра до 4,5 мм включительно.
Конструктивно сходные с оружием изделия, пневматические винтовки, пистолеты и револьверы с дульной энергией не более 3Дж, сигнальные пистолеты и револьверы калибра не более 6 мм и патроны к ним, которые по заключению МВД РФ не могут быть использованы в качестве огнестрельного и газового оружия, приобретаются без лицензии и не регистрируются.

Originally Posted by UhOhXplode

Also, I think the media focuses on the shcool shootings and despite the fact that they aren't that common, the media can make it seem like they are.

The public opinion is being prepared for gun law restrictions. It took Australia four months to ban public guns completely. I think in the US it will take like 5 -7 years.

By the way; I want to point out that my response was not in order to complain about the USA. Rockzmom asked why I thought it was in "self destruct mode", so I gave my answer.
I don't feel strongly about it what Americans do within their own borders.

I may think certain phenomenons are self-destructive for a nation, but I may be wrong, and even if I'm not, it's not really my problem. Some of the arguments for gun ownership make sense, if you see the mindset of those that argue it.
I save my big US rants for the foreign policy. Wars and meddling abroad.

As for the whole debates about homosexuality, violence as entertainment, pornography or wide-spread gun ownership. There are of course arguments and counter arguments for either side of this. My personal view is that all of the above are destructive for a society, see Rome, Greece which escalated all of these as they began to crumble. But it's just a view, and if the majority of Americans don't agree, that's their business.

I respect uHoHexplode's cultural position on this - I'm aware that there is a cultural different view on this. Widespread availability of weapons makes these massacres easier to perpetrate, but if that's a price Americans are willing to pay, then it's not my business. It might well be that there is so many weapons already in circulation that a ban would just be meaningless anyway. If I was American, I would be concerned about the massacres though, and what drives so many people to do it. Why does it happen almost weekly in the USA, but not in China, Russia or even the EU? What is the underlying cause?

As for gun ownership in Russia - aren't a lot of the weapons simply what people keep for hunting/shooting wild game in the forest? I guess there are also weapons used by gangsters in the 90s still around.

But Russia doesn't have gun shops like the USA has, does it? Or normal people who imagine they need to walk around armed, or keep firearms at home to "protect themselves".

About the plans for world government which UhOhx mentioned, well - here in London we have people from every corner of the world in large quantities, the internet connects us to anywhere we want in the world. We have a CCTV camera in every 15 metres or so in urban areas, and where you'd least expect it in the countryside. We use the same global payment methods as the rest of the Western World. (Visa, Mastercard and international banks). There is UN and EU as global organs.

I definitely think that the super state or world government is coming. All the development is in that direction. And I don't think it will be nice. Like all Christians I am aware of the end time prophecies which incidentally includes practically everything that this world already is, or is becoming. If you know it, you know what I mean, else no need to bring it up here.Funny chance or prophecy playing out? I don't know, but it's interesting and rather dark times we live in.

Well the thread is about Russophobia or Russophilia, so this is the last post from me about the USA in the thread!

Originally Posted by Eric C.

...one could say one of the biggest features of the Russian culture are alcoholism and amazingly bad roads, and they would be immediately labeled the biggest russophobes history has ever known. Then why go that way about other countries? Maybe every one of us should just fight all those nasty little phobias inside us, and not let them take over our common sense?

Oh yeah? Why not?
By the way, I don't believe that Ukrainians drink less than Russians do.