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    "the Ukraine" seems just much more natural to me than "Ukraine"
    Natural is the far side of unnatural.
    After all, when was the first time you'd heard the word "the Ukraine"? I guess it was not so long ago. Ukraine hasn't got its own history or more exactly it has, but it's laughably short. So, for my ear, all the whimsical things that the Ukarinian government invent instead of making themselves useful do not seem too natural. Let's take their latest official statemet for instance:

    Все империи распадаются, как это было с Римской империей. Поэтому российская империя тоже распадется, но еще не скоро.

    All empires disintegrate, the way it happened with the Roman Empire. So the Russian Empire is also going to fall apart, though not too soon.



    "Excursuses into history and prediction of that kind look incongruous for a diplomat of such a high rank and are unacceptable for Russian-Ukrainian relations." Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs say.

    "If this paranoid raving of a top Ukrainian official is true, then, in full accordance with rules of civilized diplomacy, this Mr. Buteiko should either immediately resign by the decision of the Ukrainian president, or take his own decision to quit civilized politics, like a shot, joining marginals who write their slogans on fences." says Valery Tursunov, a well-known expert on post-Soviet states. Then he points out as follows:

    "Anton Buteiko and his poorly educated inspirers have a short memory. If they had got at least satisfactory marks at the Soviet schools they went to, they would know that the present-day Ukraine is entirely an offspring of an empire and itself an empire, created by Stalin and Khrushchev, who annexed to it Polonized Galicia in 1939, Carpathian Rus in 1945, and Russian Crimea in 1954. What then can one say about Brezhnev and his Dneprodzerzhinsk-based clan who pumped ‘imperial’ money from all over the USSR into Ukraine? If Buteiko, raving about disintegration of empires, longs for the death of his Mother Ukraine, it is his personal problem. Yet what does fraternal Ukraine have to do with this? The paranoid raving that comes from the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry indicates a deep moral and professional dissolution of the Ukrainian elite. If the Ukrainian elite still preserves some remnants of intellectual conscience, it should discard such discredited diplomats as Buteiko."


    So I think the Ukrainian governers must stop making doo-doo in the pants. first.
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    The new contract (Yulia Timoshenko is in a fury ):
    Фотокопия:
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    http://www.korrespondent.net/main/141273

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    west

    I think you are all mistaken by the position of the west. The position of the United States, at least, was that they support market pricing, only not immediately.

    And thats it. Most people here didn't even pay attention to this news. Yes, the media was one sided...and generally put the blame on the Kremlin. But that is only because it is in the wests interests to do so. Blame the Kremlin, try to help get oil prices down for Ukraine, a potential EU member state.

    But, any in-depth reading, shows that most people had no intellectual stake in that argument. Any of the papers that went into the subject in-depth almost invariably asked the question as to why Ukraine should continue having Soviet era subsidies, for what purpose?

    It's up to Russia to sell gas to whomever they want, at whatever price they can get. Nothing wrong with it.

    As for Europe balking and talking about new partners for gas...OF course, of course, thats the only sensible position for them to take in bargaining sessions...that they might somehow have other options. But the market price is going to rule, no matter what...so its all talk.

    Hey Europe bought gas from Russia throughout the Cold War. The United States is in love with Communist China, our software companies Microsoft, Yahoo even help them censor journalists... we buy oil from all kinds of countries that fund terrorists.

    Nah, its all talk, markets will prevail. And in a way, thats a good thing too.

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    Russia is wising up, I guess, seeing how much money they could get. Too bad they signed contracts!
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    С 1 января по экранам Украины начал победное шествие новый мульфильм “Как казаки газ воровали”.

    Российские кинематографисты начали съемки блокбастера “Ночной разор”. За основу сценария взята известная украинская пьеса “Ирония трубы, или с легким газом”. По предварительной информации, озвучивать фильм будут на туркменском языке.

    Одновременно группа авторов из США приступила к написанию сценария уже следующей серии блокбастера, посвященного итогам российско-украинских переговоров по “газовой” теме. Рабочее название сценария – “Дневной позор”...



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    Quote Originally Posted by mishau_
    “Ирония трубы, или с легким газом”
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    Quote Originally Posted by mishau_
    “Ирония трубы, или с легким газом”
    Молодец! Well-played, lol...

    What about "Меньше надо гореть?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by N
    The new contract (Yulia Timoshenko is in a fury ):
    Фотокопия:
    http://obozrevatel.com.ua/news/2006/1/5/77250.htm
    Текст:
    http://www.korrespondent.net/main/141273
    They say в Украину in that contract. :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by mishau_
    "the Ukraine" seems just much more natural to me than "Ukraine"
    Natural is the far side of unnatural.
    After all, when was the first time you'd heard the word "the Ukraine"? I guess it was not so long ago. Ukraine hasn't got its own history or more exactly it has, but it's laughably short.
    Just because it hasn't been an independant country for long doesn't mean it doesn't have a history.

    The Russian Federation has a laughably short history.

    Talking about The Ukraine vs. Ukraine. Now it is more proper to NOT use The.
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    Why the hell do they call it The Ukraine anyway? It's just a proper noun why is there a the? Why not The Guatamala or The Morocco?

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    .... or THE Netherlands? AHA!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie
    .... or THE Netherlands? AHA!
    That's because it was originally: The nether lands (nether = low).

    It was called The Ukraine, because it wasn't a country, rather a region of Russia.

    The steppe, the Crimea, the Far East.

    That's why Ukraine would like it if The was dropped.
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    You've got the Sudan, the Phillipines, и т.д. This might be of some interest to you, if you want to know more about the "the":

    http://www.livejournal.com/community...s/1190187.html
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    Почему Ющенко так медленно читает речь по бумажке?

    - Он не читает, а переводит с английского.

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    Глядя на лицо Ющенко, начинаешь понимать, что демократия Украины - это демократия с нечеловеческим лицом.

    ***

    Газ для Украины должен стоить больше, чем для Западной Европы, поскольку Украина получает его намного раньше и, значит, более свежим.

    ***

    Пока прокляты москалы подло подкупалы 'олоса избирателей в пользу Януковича, мы, хохлы, 'арно подтасовывалы результы в пользу Ющенко.

    ***

    Путину нужно было поддержать не Януковича, а Ющенко. Тогда бы Ющенко лишился, по крайней мере, половины своих голосов.

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    Украинское ТВ.
    На экране трое мужиков избивают друг друга. Сильно так и чем попало: стаканами, графинами, стульями. Минуту дерутся, две дерутся, пять дерутся. Через пять минут на экране появляется диктор:

    - Вы прослушали традиционное новогоднее обращение к народу президента Украины.


    ***

    У Ющенко берут интервью.

    - Вы будете хорошим президентом?

    - Да. Меня поддерживает все население Украины. У меня ровные отношения как с американскими, так и с российскими политиками. Я сделаю русский язык вторым государственным. Я демократ. Я не вор. Со мной приходит отличная команда профессионалов. Я честно победил на выборах.

    - А недостатки у вас есть?

    - Да. Врать люблю.
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    Газ для Украины должен стоить больше, чем для Западной Европы, поскольку Украина получает его намного раньше и, значит, более свежим.
    Can gas be 'Fresh'? And should they be penalised for being closer to the source?

    At the end of the day, didn't Russian want them to pay 4 times as much, and now they will be only paying twice as much?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TATY
    Can gas be 'Fresh'? And should they be penalised for being closer to the source?
    This guy thinks so:



    If a "prince" from Bel-Air can be, then sure...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TATY
    Газ для Украины должен стоить больше, чем для Западной Европы, поскольку Украина получает его намного раньше и, значит, более свежим.
    Can gas be 'Fresh'? And should they be penalised for being closer to the source?

    At the end of the day, didn't Russian want them to pay 4 times as much, and now they will be only paying twice as much?
    Its a joke. You know one of those ha-ha things?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie
    Quote Originally Posted by TATY
    Газ для Украины должен стоить больше, чем для Западной Европы, поскольку Украина получает его намного раньше и, значит, более свежим.
    Can gas be 'Fresh'? And should they be penalised for being closer to the source?

    At the end of the day, didn't Russian want them to pay 4 times as much, and now they will be only paying twice as much?
    Its a joke. You know one of those ha-ha things?
    Well you never know with Russians.
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    Самый короткий анекдот на эту тему я услышал недавно:

    Путин - Ющу: А у нас на кухне газ! А у Вас?
    Ющ - Путину: А у нас газопровод. Вот.
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