Thread: Is Russia a democracy? Плюс то же о некоторых других странах

Originally Posted by Eric C.

Yeah, pretty much the same attitude you have about any other country. =)) Here comes a paradox - what if the Russians think it's not just up to them, and want somebody else to help them solve some of their problems?

That's exactly what happened in the 1990s. The USA (and Europe) sent in anyone from businessmen, corporations, missionaries, journalists, spies, fashion designers and human rights activists to teach the Russians how to runt their country, after communism. And Russia let them in. Even more so in other ex Soviet republics.
So to summarise: They have already tried that.

But maybe they didn't try hard enough last time, is that what you are saying, Eric?
Maybe Russia needs to be a colony of the USA, or perhaps even or the 51st state of the USA?
Maybe you could take on some of the US foreign debt as compensation - since Russia has hardly no debt compared to the USA.

And in return the USA could teach the Russians all about how to run a democratic, prosperous and peaceful country where everybody lives happily ever after...

How about it, Russians?

[That's enough time wasted by me on Eric's trolling - as provocative and silly as it is, it's not worth wasting time on]

Originally Posted by Eric C.

what if the Russians think it's not just up to them, and want somebody else to help them solve some of their problems?

Это вряд ли.

А вот украинцы, похоже, действительно верят, что EU обязан им помогать.

Originally Posted by Hanna

However it seems like you ought to get politically involved in some party with a concrete program to achieve change.

That "concrete program" as was cited above is called national-socialism. And those paries and programs are banned in all european countries including Russia.

Originally Posted by Alex_krsk

That "concrete program" as was cited above is called national-socialism. And those paries and programs are banned in all european countries including Russia.

Советую отучиться говорить за других. Полезный навык, в жизни пригодится.

Not paid enough? Or what's the problem.

Разруха - она в головах. Деньги бесполезны, если руководителям на всех уровнях плевать, в каком состоянии находится вверенное им хозяйство.

Edinaya Rossia is just a set of thousands disparate men and women. Every one, having had some power in the beginning of 2000, was insistently persuaded to join the party, half of them were the corruptionists. We need to ask Aliens to bring back the order.

Funny stories.

Recently I spent much time in the hospital (my knee cap had cracked). I don't want to return there! I highly advise anyone to protect his/her bones and junctions as carefully as possible.

Story 1
I could walk, but couldn't bend my leg (there was a plaster on it). The toilet, as usually, was situated just behind the door. As a result, any one with a unbending leg had a reasonable choice: either to sit down, either to close the door.

Story 2
I must say, that even to get into the hospital, one need to have steel nerves and good spare of health.
Many people in my ward (in fact, all 9 of them) was injured in the country-side, and often they had to stay in their country hospitals for 6..8 month because the surgery are being accomplished only in one city hospital, which is tiny. For a such time lapse, all fractures are consolidated by themselves (poorly). Take into account that most villagers HAVE to keep their peasant lifestyle: vegetable garden, care for cattle, poultry, etc.

Story 3
There are rumors , that nurses in country hospitals (районная больница) receive salary equal to $60 (2000 рублей).

Story 4
One old man was ready to leave the ward (and at last to clear place for a next patient), but, unfortunately, it had been slight raining for several days, and the roads become unusable. I remembered from 1980s, how the bus rode to village but not back, because rains happened just in inappropriate time. I thought, they laid asphalt since then, but, alas, no.
30 years has passed.

Curtain.

Hanna, our health care is wild mix of free and very expensive services. People are totally confused with the system. In short, you go to your local поликлиника for free, but then you will be directed to expensive examinations and other specialists (which are present only in paid agencies). So, поликлиника is good, if you have plain nasal cold, but in other circumstances, you are out of luck. Prepare you money.
Medicines, of course, for money (much more expensive than in Czech rep. for example). In hospital they will pull money from you, or will propose to buy needed medicines for yourself ("we don't have them"), though as far as I understand, hospitals are being funded by State, and everything should be free for patients.
So, our public places and internet are FLOODED with the notes like this
11-летнему мальчику-боксеру собирают деньги на лечение — НГС.НОВОСТИ Омск

Also,if someone would start thread "Is Russia a developed country?" instead of dubious "democracy" thing, you could learn A LOT about everyday life in Russia.

Стал известен маршрут эстафеты олимпийского огня в Омске

(No need to read the article, just note the Comments below article )

I've spent one third of my life in the USSR one third in the US and one third in Russia. And I can tell that Russia is the best place among these three.

Talking abou personal freedom Russia is much more free than US and EU countries.

What about democracy, i hear a lot about unfair vote counting, but all whom i ask voted for Putin. (?)

Healthcare, police and education

If all those who complain about healthcare in Russia tried medical system e.g. of the US with it's nice restrooms that would sober them down right away.
It's not like i'm comfortable with bad condotins in hospitals. I just know that things are getting better dispite the fact that we all pay 6 - 15 % tax.

The same about police. You woldn't like it to deal with police in the US.

Not paid enough?

lowest police salary in Russia now is about 1000 euros.

I think Edinaya Rossia has had long enough to do something about corruption now though. And improve education and healthcare. They had well over a decade.

No it's not enough. People (including those municipal officials) had zero budget culture after 70 years of dictatorship. It takes time to grow.

Russia now is a great place full of opportunities for those who want to work. It depends on you what do you want: to work or to keep on complaining scaring each other with some horrific pics.

For the record, I think it's unfortunate DrBaldhead's statements/comments got censored. (Ditto for whatever provoked RedFox's rebuttal being moderated?). I find myself disagreeing with most of what DrBaldhead states about politics (hehe - I think so, anyway) but I doubt he said anything really that bad requiring that. Imho, it's good to see Russians get passionate and emotional about things that concern their country. Whether I agree with or not, I think they should try to evaluate what is going on. All imho, of course. I also have confidence that they can moderate themselves. They don't seem to get out of line much - but, that's just my impression.

Вы бы могли вынести вашу личную переписку в соотвествующее место?

Originally Posted by Lampada

Вы бы могли вынести вашу личную переписку в соотвествующее место?

Прошу прощения (начал не я)

Обосновываю свой пост, который частью "переписки" не являлся

Originally Posted by RedFox

And the only way to do so in our circumstances is the democratic nationalistic revolution.
... here in Russia we already have Russian nation

Originally Posted by You-Know-Who

Мы могли назвать себя Либеральная партия. Но мы решили назваться Национал-социалистами. Мы не интернационалисты. Наш социализм национален. Мы требуем исполнения государством справедливых требований трудящихся классов на основе расовой солидарности. Для нас раса и государство — это единое целое.

We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our socialism is national. We demand the fulfilment of the just claims of the productive classes by the state on the basis of race solidarity. To us state and race are one.

Не принуждайте меня закрывать тему. Ведите себя прилично!
Спасибо!

Я регулярно читаю штук 5-6 российских сайтов, включая lenta.ru и inosmi.ru. Недавно мне начало казаться, что подборка переводов на inosmi.ru начала здорово дрейфовать в сторону, так сказать, конструктивных статей про Россию и Путина. А теперь вот обращение от lenta.ru с подписями всех постоянных сотрудников, насколько я понял.

Мы, безусловно, предполагали, что придут и за нами.

Интересно, долго ли продержится?

Таки закручивание гаек? Во все тяжкие?

Originally Posted by it-ogo

Таки закручивание гаек? Во все тяжкие?

Прикрыли, значит, "рассадник".

Как-никак всё таки есть демократия: http://life.pravda.com.ua/society/2014/03/13/157273/

Хотя неизвестно, как создавался этот список.

Originally Posted by Lampada

Как-никак всё таки есть демократия: http://life.pravda.com.ua/society/2014/03/13/157273/

Хотя неизвестно, как создавался этот список.

Лампада, а при чём здесь демократия?
Список создавался примерно так же как и предыдущий. Какой-нибудь деятель позвонил "звезде" и спросил "солидарны ли вы с народом Украины?

Originally Posted by Ramil

Лампада, а при чём здесь демократия?
Список создавался примерно так же как и предыдущий. Какой-нибудь деятель позвонил "звезде" и спросил "солидарны ли вы с народом Украины?

Ладно, тогда свобода слова.

Originally Posted by Lampada

Ладно, тогда свобода слова.

Скорее - свобода быть ведомым чужими идеями.

Originally Posted by Ramil

Скорее - свобода быть ведомым чужими идеями.

Кстати, это тоже хорошо. Если есть выбор.

Ну, Кончаловский, Шевчук, Гребенщиков и Макаревич высказывались и до того вполне персонально и однозначно. Насчет прочих - не знаю.

Бутусова здесь не хватает. И Цоя, само собой. Впрочем, за Цоя леди Рамазанова вполне сойдет на мой вкус. И тогда получится что старая фрондерская гвардия все еще торты.

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