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    20 civilians killed by Russian bombing yesterday. I sure hope RU military knows what they are doing!
    I hate the "collateral damage" view of warfare, whether it's Russians, Americans, Israel or ISIS that's guilty....

    Yesterday the criticism of Russia's participation also started in Western media.
    Russia bombed the depots of some "moderate" (favoured by the US) rebels that were not necessarily ISIS.
    Apparently some kit belonging to the US was damaged... hm.....? Chance or not?

    If Russia is anything but extremely successful in this war, it will be villified!
    Russia will be painted out as the bad guy.

    I sure hope the RU military has a plan that will achieve a very quick and painless victory in this war.
    I am really sceptic about whether it was really a good idea for Russia to get involved in this war!

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    EDIT: According to Lavrov and TASS, the claims that non-ISIS targets were bombed, is disinformation, unfounded...
    Us normal mortals will never know the truth of course..... But it's interesting that the two parties in this "Alliance" are already throwing accusations at eachother...

    Has Russia walked into a trap getting involved in this? All I can think of is how badly things went for the USSR in Afghanistan, and the propaganda value of making accusations towards Russia in connection with potential mistakes in warfare.

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    Ханночка, ты задаёшь вопросы, которые мне кажутся в каком-то смысле провокационными. Одно дело выражать своё мнение из Швеции, другое - ждать ответов от людей, которые в России. Я из Чикого могу сказать, что считаю военное вмешательство России в Сирии опасным и ненужным. Думаю, что там уже достаточно бомбёжки. Наверное, никто не знает, что сделать, чтобы в Сирии воцарился мир и все беженцы вернулись домой. Ужасно всё это.

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    О, как: Сирия - "это наша земля!"

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    > ...disinformation...

    Hour ago I saw huge discussion of recent hot-news video of russian jet destroyed by ISIS forces.
    ...aaaaand... this video is two years-old. fakes are on the air, yea...
    UhOhXplode likes this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanna View Post
    20 civilians killed by Russian bombing yesterday. I sure hope RU military knows what they are doing!
    I hate the "collateral damage" view of warfare, whether it's Russians, Americans, Israel or ISIS that's guilty....

    Yesterday the criticism of Russia's participation also started in Western media.
    Russia bombed the depots of some "moderate" (favoured by the US) rebels that were not necessarily ISIS.
    Apparently some kit belonging to the US was damaged... hm.....? Chance or not?

    If Russia is anything but extremely successful in this war, it will be villified!
    Russia will be painted out as the bad guy.

    I sure hope the RU military has a plan that will achieve a very quick and painless victory in this war.
    I am really sceptic about whether it was really a good idea for Russia to get involved in this war!

    -------------------------

    EDIT: According to Lavrov and TASS, the claims that non-ISIS targets were bombed, is disinformation, unfounded...
    Us normal mortals will never know the truth of course..... But it's interesting that the two parties in this "Alliance" are already throwing accusations at eachother...

    Has Russia walked into a trap getting involved in this? All I can think of is how badly things went for the USSR in Afghanistan, and the propaganda value of making accusations towards Russia in connection with potential mistakes in warfare.
    The question is who you believe - the rebels or Konashenkov.
    http://www.rg.ru/2015/10/02/minoboroni-site.html

    And don't forget, there has been collateral damage from the US-led coalition air strikes. Tbh, I don't think there has ever been a war without collateral damage. But is there proof of collateral damage from the Russian air strikes. I haven't seen any.
    As for me, I believe the Russian effort is the only effective solution to the crisis in Syria. The other countries want to spare al-Nursa but they are terrorists too. And eventually, all those terrorists will return to their own countries and create serious issues there too. They have to be stopped in Syria before that happens.

    So nobody really likes war but sometimes it's tons better than the alternative. The Russian air strikes in Syria could save a lot of lives in the future - especially if it ends the civil war. Way too many people have been left homeless or killed in that war already.
    So yeah, there may be some collateral damage but in the end, those terrorists don't care how much collateral damage they cause.

    Also, Russia has as much right to be in Syria as the US-led coalition - even more because they were asked by the legitimate Syrian government. And I don't think anyone wants to see another 9/11, bombs at train stations or in buses in Volgograd just before New Years, or dead taxi drivers in Stavropol. Half of Syria is full of those terrorists. If they don't want to risk collateral damage then they can refuse to bomb them. But if they refuse then how many people will die in the future from terror attacks?
    And I wouldn't have any worries about Russia being vilified over the bombings. As for me, I would rather be doing the right thing and get vilified than doing the wrong thing and getting rewards.

    EDIT - About the corruption in the Nobel Peace Prize committee, from an ex-member that broke his oath of secrecy:
    http://news.yahoo.com/nobel-official...132421988.html
    Лучше смерть, чем бесчестие! Тем временем: Вечно молодой, Вечно пьяный. - Смысловые Галлюцинации, Чартова дюжина 2015!
    Пожалуйста, исправьте мои ошибки. Спасибо.

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    It seems the U.S. are bombing ISIS and Assad, while the Russians are bombing ISIS and the rebels. At least, they seem to have one common target (ISIS), and one entity to keep from bombing by all means - the civilians. If they focus on those two primary goals, there may be some progress over the time. Though in the long run (after the terrorists are all defeated), the rebels should take over, and the stinky dictatorship should be kicked out to where it belongs.

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    Thank you sir lampada. And better yet not to engage in politics lest I might say something stupid again. Спасибо!

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