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    'Putin’s Syria role deserving of Nobel Peace Prize' - RT

    http://rt.com/politics/putin-nobel-peace-prize-587/

    Putin’s Syria role deserving of Nobel Peace Prize


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    Вот потому, что вы говорите то, что не думаете, и думаете то, что не думаете, вот в клетках и сидите. И вообще, весь этот горький катаклизм, который я здесь наблюдаю, и Владимир Николаевич тоже…

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    I'd rather strip Gorbachev from his Nobel prize.
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    Nobel Peace Prize is too politized and west-oriented stuff. I think Putin refuses an award, because in Russia many people believe that it is an award for dissidents and traitors.
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    Being one of those *cough, cough* westerners myself, I rather like Gorbachev. ))

    But I would tend to agree that there are a lot of politics involved with who is awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.

    In any case, I'd at least like to see peace in Syria achieved before we hand out medals to anyone...
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    Вот потому, что вы говорите то, что не думаете, и думаете то, что не думаете, вот в клетках и сидите. И вообще, весь этот горький катаклизм, который я здесь наблюдаю, и Владимир Николаевич тоже…

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    IMO Peace nomination in Nobel Prize system is (and always was) nothing more than a disgrace of the very Nobel Prize.
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    "Россия для русских" - это неправильно. Остальные-то чем лучше?

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    Путин заслуживает премии мира. Но ему одному не дадут наверное. Только вместе в Обамой. Обама тогда станет дважды лауреат.
    Лавров тоже заслуживает премии мира. Но если дадут, то вместе с Керри.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrBaldhead View Post
    I'd rather strip Gorbachev from his Nobel prize.
    yes, and Obama....
    In fact most people who had it recently! It's just become a stamp for approval of whatever is politically correct.

    Obama got it because of his skin colour - what did he ever do for peace in the first year of his presidency - how ridiculous!
    He's since become a war criminal and ought to return it.

    The EU was relatively deserving actually because whatever else you think about the EU, it works for keeping the peace between its' members, at least. And if you look at the history that is extremely rare in Europe. But of course, the price of it was first the split of the Cold War. then being a USA puppet continent and now the messed up economic system and the exploitation of richer EU areas of poorer ones, labour migration and the dominance of the big 3 countries over the rest.

    Quote Originally Posted by sergei View Post
    Nobel Peace Prize is too politized and west-oriented stuff. I think Putin refuses an award, because in Russia many people believe that it is an award for dissidents and traitors.
    I think we all know that Putin will not get it, exactly because it's so "West oriented" and Putin is not that way inclined.
    But sure - why not return it? It's clearly meaningless - a previous winner got it while his country were involved in no less than 2 official wars and several more clandestine ones.

    I really respect Russia for how its handled Syria -- really well and cleverly. I also respect that Russia sticks with its commitments to other countries and behaves in a principled way with regards to foreign politics. One would hope that this type of approach pays off in the longer perspective, rather than shortsighted un-principled opportunistic foreign policy of other countries.

    People around the world will learn from the Syria situation that Russia does not abandon countries or existing agreements just because the wind changes, and that it values peace above war and is prepared to pay a price for sticking with principles and commitments in foreign policy.

    It's pretty obvious that the prize usually goes to dissidents in countries that the West doesn't like or is suspicious about... or people who are doing something politically correct, not necessarily related to peace.
    The Scandinavian bias is rather blatant.

    A few of the Swedish people who won it have since fallen COMPLETELY out of political favour, so its rather amusing to note that they are Nobel prize winners.

    I note that a Vietnamese person apparently declined the prize! Very cool gesture.

    I think they should stick with science which is a lot less subjective. Nobel (was Swedish) was NOT a political person at all, and had some rather cool ideas about society. I don't think he would agree at all with how the Peace and Economy prizes are used in his name.
    2012: The European Union (EU)
    2011: Ellen Johnson Sirleaf and Leymah Gbowee (Liberia), Tawakkul Karman (Yemen)
    2010: Liu Xiaobo (China)
    2009: Barack Obama (US)
    2008: Martti Ahtisaari (Finland)
    2007: Al Gore (US) and the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
    2006: Muhammad Yunus (Bangladesh) and the Grameen Bank
    2005: International Atomic Energy Agency and Mohamed ElBaradei (Egypt)
    2004: Wangari Maathai (Kenya)
    2003: Shirin Ebadi (Iran)
    2002: Jimmy Carter (US)
    2001: Kofi Annan (Ghana) and the United Nations
    2000: Kim Dae Jung (South Korea)
    1999: Medecins Sans Frontieres (Doctors Without Borders)
    1998: John Hume and David Trimble (Northern Ireland)
    1997: Jody Williams (US) and the International Campaign to Ban Landmines
    1996: Carlos Filipe Ximenes Belo and Jose Ramos-Horta (East Timor)
    1995: Joseph Rotblat (Britain) and the Pugwash movement
    1994: Yitzhak Rabin, Shimon Peres (Israel) and Yasser Arafat (PLO)
    1993: Nelson Mandela and Frederik de Klerk (South Africa)
    1992: Rigoberta Menchu (Guatemala)
    1991: Aung San Suu Kyi (Burma)
    1990: Mikhail Gorbachev (Soviet Union)
    1989: Dalai Lama (Tibet)
    1988: United Nations Peacekeeping Forces
    1987: Oscar Arias Sanchez (Costa Rica)
    1986: Elie Wiesel (US)
    1985: International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War
    1984: Desmond Tutu (South Africa)
    1983: Lech Walesa (Poland)
    1982: Alva Myrdal (Sweden) and Alfonso Garcia Robles (Mexico)
    1981: Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees
    1980: Adolfo Perez Esquivel (Argentina)
    1979: Mother Teresa (Albania)
    1978: Anwar Sadat (Egypt) and Menachem Begin (Israel)
    1977: Amnesty International
    1976: Betty Williams (Britain) and Mairead Corrigan (Northern Ireland)
    1975: Andrei Sakharov (Soviet Union)
    1974: Sean MacBride (Ireland) and Eisaku Sato (Japan)
    1973: Henry Kissinger (US) and Le Duc Tho (Vietnam, declined)
    1972: prize not handed out
    1971: Willy Brandt (Germany)
    1970: Norman Borlaug (US)
    1969: International Labour Organisation
    1968: Rene Cassin (France)
    1967: prize not handed out
    1966: prize not handed out
    1965: United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF)
    1964: Martin Luther King Jr (US)
    1963: International Committee of the Red Cross and the League of Red Cross Societies
    1962: Linus Carl Pauling (US)
    1961: Dag Hammarskjoeld (Sweden)
    1960: Albert Lutuli (South Africa)
    1959: Philip Noel-Baker (Britain)
    1958: Georges Pire (Belgium)
    1957: Lester Pearson (Canada)
    1956: prize not handed out
    1955: prize not handed out
    1954: Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees
    1953: George Marshall (US)
    1952: Albert Schweitzer (France)
    1951: Leon Jouhaux (France)
    1950: Ralph Bunche (US)
    1949: Lord (John) Boyd Orr of Brechin (Britain)
    1948: prize not handed out
    1947: Friends Service Council (The Quakers), American Friends Service Committee (The Quakers)
    1946: Emily Greene Balch (US), John Raleigh Mott (US)
    1945: Cordell Hull (US)
    1944: International Committee of the Red Cross
    1943: prize not handed out
    1942: prize not handed out
    1941: prize not handed out
    1940: prize not handed out
    1939: prize not handed out
    1938: Nansen International Office for Refugees
    1937: Viscount Cecil of Chelwood (Britain)
    1936: Carlos Saavedra Lamas (Argentina)
    1935: Carl von Ossietzky (Germany)
    1934: Arthur Henderson (Britain)
    1933: Sir Norman Angell (Ralph Lane) (Britain)
    1932: prize not handed out
    1931: Jane Addams (US) and Nicholas Murray Butler (US)
    1930: Nathan Soederblom (Sweden)
    1929: Frank Billings Kellogg (US)
    1928: prize not handed out
    1927: Ferdinand Buisson (France) and Ludwig Quidde (Germany)
    1926: Aristide Briand (France) and Gustav Stresemann (Germany)
    1925: Sir Austen Chamberlain (Britain) and Charles Gates Dawes (US)
    1924: prize not handed out
    1923: prize not handed out
    1922: Fridtjof Nansen (Norway)
    1921: Karl Hjalmar Branting (Sweden) and Christian Lous Lange (Norway)
    1920: Leon Victor Auguste Bourgeois (France)
    1919: Thomas Woodrow Wilson (US)
    1918: prize not handed out
    1917: International Committee of the Red Cross
    1916: prize not handed out
    1915: prize not handed out
    1914: prize not handed out
    1913: Henri La Fontaine (Belgium)
    1912: Elihu Root (US)
    1911: Tobias Michael Carel Asser (The Netherlands) and Alfred Hermann Fried (Austria)
    1910: Permanent International Peace Bureau
    1909: Auguste Marie François Beernaert (Belgium) and Paul Henri Benjamin Balluet, Baron d'Estournelles de Constant de Rebecque (France)
    1908: Klas Pontus Arnoldson (Sweden) and Fredrik Bajer (Denmark)
    1907: Ernesto Teodoro Moneta (Italy) and Louis Renault (France)
    1906: Theodore Roosevelt (US)
    1905: Baroness Bertha Sophie Felicita von Suttner (Austria)
    1904: Institute of International Law
    1903: William Randal Cremer (Britain)
    1902: Elie Ducommun (Switzerland) and Charles Albert Gobat (Switzerland)
    1901: Jean Henri Dunant (Switzerland) and Frederic Passy (France)

    I feel a bit connected to all this. I grew up on the island east of Stockholm, in the Baltic sea where Nobel lived, after his family returned to Sweden from St Petersburg. (He actually spent his childhood and young adulthood in imperial Russia).

    The house where he lived was walking distance from mine. Noted with amusement that the person who founded a boarding school I attended for 6 years, is a Nobel Peace Prize winner. Had no idea - I only knew he was a bishop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sergei View Post
    Nobel Peace Prize is too politized and west-oriented stuff. I think Putin refuses an award, because in Russia many people believe that it is an award for dissidents and traitors.
    Why would he refuse it? He belongs on the list with all the other traitors.

    His brand of 'neo-sovietism' fits in with them.

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    Monsanto up for Nobel Prize – Disaster! (Video)

    Meanwhile, in related news, controversial food giant Monsanto has also been nominated for the Nobel World Food Prize.

    This despite growing evidence that Monsanto GMOs cause cancer, and despite the suicides of thousands of farmers in India whose businesses were destroyed by Monsanto seeds.

    Syngenta, the giant company that is killing bees in massive amounts with their pesticides will also receive a prize and share the $250,000 prize money.

    Monsanto has taken over 90% of the world’s farms, forcing them out of business, essentially wiping out most of our farming.

    Many of these farms are organic and a serious problem that occurs is these Monsanto seeds fly around and cross-pollinate with the crops in the organic farms, destroying them. To add insult to injury, Monsanto has turned around and sued some of these farmers on the basis of patent infringement, as if the farmers planned to contaminate their fields with Monsanto chemicals. However, some farmers succeeded in suing Monsanto for contaminating their farms and won.

    Of course, Monsanto claims no damage can be done from their food, their seeds or herbicides but experiments with mice have resulted in tumors, organ failures, cancer and premature death.

    Glyphosate, the main ingredient in Monsanto’s weed killer called Roundup, is one of the most dangerous chemicals in the world. It can cause cancer and spontaneous abortions, while weakening plants and causing disease. More disaster.

    Some farmers were feeding their pigs Monsanto corn and that resulted in sterility. After switching back to organic corn, they started producing babies again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deborski View Post
    It would depend on which of my friends were there

    Because more than my country, or any specific time, I love my friends.
    Let's assume all of your friends would go back in time with you =)

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    Back on topic - here is one person who I think truly deserves the Nobel Peace Prize. Malala Yousafzai, whose amazing courage has triumphed over experiences so harrowing it is hard to imagine.

    Malala Yousafzai Left Jon Stewart Speechless - Business Insider


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    I highly recommend watching Malala's extended interview with Jon Stewart. In addition to her awe-inspiring courage and wisdom, which is far beyond her age (she is only sixteen), she speaks English articulately and fluently. She is an amazing, gifted child with a pure spirit.

    There are three parts to the interview and they will start up automatically if you play the first one.

    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tu...nterview-pt--1

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    Off-topic перенесен сюда: http://masterrussian.net/f51/%D0%BF%...4%D1%8B-22011/

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    Well, she was flown to the UK after she was shot, and has lived here since. She attends a very school in Birmingham. No doubt they made an exception to let her in -- schools like that have very tough entrance criteria and her English would not normally have cut it. (still, there are many born and bred in the UK with worse vocabularies than her). Likewise somebody must have given her a scholarship, apparently it's a fee-paying school.

    She is no doubt a very lovely person, intelligent and principled. But to give her the Nobel peace prize would be silly. If she hadn't been shot, nobody out of her region would have heard of her.

    I understand she said she misses Pakistan and wants to return. She doesn't enjoy being the centre of attention.

    My personal view is that all the PR around her (she's in UK media almost daily) as a sort of hype and cheap propaganda "look how great we are for taking care of poor Malala, and supporting the education of girls in rural Pakistan".

    She's a very convenient and charming distraction
    from the real stories relating to Britain taking place in Pakistan. It's also interesting to consider who might be paying for Malala's family to stay comfortably in the UK and now also a flight to the US to attend this talk show. Lately, the immigration restrictions wrt Pakistan are very strict and there is no way a regular Pakistani family could fund a year of staying in the UK, assuming they qualify for a visa in the first place, which most wouldn't.

    While Malala didn't actually die, well over 100 children in Eastern Pakistan where she comes from have died from attacks by British-made drones supplied to the US military. And that's excluding all the kids who have been orphaned, crippled or made fatherless in the same attacks. The people that attacked Malala were her own countrymen. The drone victims were killed by foreigners in a war that Pakistan is not even part of.

    Taking a wild guess, I'd say that these 15-year old orphaned or crippled girls would be lucky to become the third wife of some old codger and have a roof over her head. As opposed to, for instance being sent to the UK to attend an elite school and being housed in a comfy semi detached with all mod cons. That's what happened to Malala who was shot by the "bad" guys with a rifle, as opposed to the "good" guys playing computer games for real, with drones.

    I really like Malala, but don't let's be taken in by the cheap propaganda trick that she is being exploited for.


    What a totally cheesy program host, and format of the show, by the way. She's talking about serious matters, but the host is dumbing it down and the audience is hollering and whistling like it was a football game or a talent show. The whole thing was so embarrassing I didn't finish watching.

    Somebody should do a serious, in-depth interview with her, regarding her politics and what she cares to share about her personal life. I thought this was totally tacky.

    Kudos to her for sticking with tradition and culture and wearing Pakistani clothes. Thank goodness we haven't seen any articles yet about "Malala's shopping spree for designer clothes" or "Malala's secret boyfriend" yet.

    The Pakistanis should sort out their own cultural and religious matters, it's got nothing to do with any other nation. 150 years ago in Europe over half of the people could not read or write. 300 years ago we were burning innocent women at the stake in the name of our faith. Nobody invaded our countries and told us how to behave; we changed gradually, at our own pace, and for the most part retaining our dignity. It's each nation's right and prerogative to develop at its' own pace without foreign countries forcing its values on it. And it's not like the West is some kind of paragon of ethical and moral superiority when it comes to the situation for women!

    The presence of Western troops nearby is exactly what's spurring the crazy takfiris/wahabis/taliban on, and making them a lot worse than they would otherwise be. Islam per se is not at all against education for women.

    Below, a drone victim, who, like Malala, survived the unrighteous attack against her. Sans 1 leg.

    She too, should be invited to an American talk show.... don't you think?


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    Да, насчёт Малалы Юсуфзай у меня тоже сомнения. Она правозащитник, но каков её вклад в укрепление мира - мне совершенно не понятно. То, что она стала мишенью для Талибана - это трудно назвать укреплением мира.
    А награждение Организации по запрещению химического оружия похоже на небольшой укол Путину. Наградили за то же самое, за что предлагали наградить Путина, но других. Этакая небольшая издёвка по-европейски. Эта организация всего лишь исполнитель с пробиркой и пипеткой, а не политическая сила.
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    Путин и народ

    Юрий Викторов

    Рыбаки у берега сидели,
    Угасал пылающий закат,
    Над рекою тихо, еле –еле
    Слышался родной душевный мат.

    Вдруг, как в сказке, расступились волны
    И на берег, взглядами искря,
    Все экипированы по полной,
    Вышли тридцать три богатыря.

    Сняли ласты, выплюнули воду,
    Галстуки поправили слегка
    И, проинспектировав природу,
    Мужикам общупали бока.

    А потом, прикинувшись кустами,
    В запонки сказали : - Берег чист!
    И явился перед рыбаками
    Небольшой такой аквалангист.

    Взгляд проникновенен аж до жути,
    Несмотря на тину в волосах…
    Мужики присели: - Это ж Путин!
    Вон и чёрный пояс на трусах!

    - Здравствуйте! Владимир. Буду краток.
    Скоро всё изменится у вас,
    Будет счастье, рыба и достаток –
    Я нашёл в реке подводный газ!

    Шок от судьбоносности момента
    Мужиков как громом поразил!
    Счастье просто видеть президента,
    А в трусах и с газом? Эксклюзив!!!

    Тут один с огромнейшим усильем
    Разомкнул заклеившийся рот:
    - Надо срочно выпить за Россию!
    И за нас, ну, в смысле за народ!

    -За народ!- Владимир подобрался,
    Потеплела глаз холодных синь,
    Пригубил полстопочки и сальцем
    По-простому, скромно закусил.

    Оглядел леса, поля и дали,
    Отряхнулся от текущих дел:
    - Нет ли тут у вас в кустах рояля?
    Я бы вам про Родину попел…

    Мужики переглянулись хмуро,
    Что не захватили инструмент…
    - Не хватает нам пока культуры.. -
    Загрустил с народом президент.

    В общем, спели под стакан и ложки,
    В унисон, без всяких запевал,
    Про Россию-мать, про путь-дорожки,
    И в конце –«Интернационал».

    Президент расслабился впервые,
    Поглядел на всполохи зари:
    - Как же хорошо у нас в России!
    Ширь! Природа! Люди! Пескари!

    Зацепило мужиков неслабо
    И, решившись, кто-то от души
    Вдруг сказал: - Ещё по сто и к бабам?!
    Бабы наши тоже хороши!

    Все засуетились в предвкушеньи,
    Но Владимир, даром что ослаб,
    Твёрдо заявил, как поздний Ленин :
    - Не до баб, ребята! Не до баб!

    Всё ж на мне! Пашу, как в шахте с тачкой!
    Нефть, алмазы, запуски ракет…
    А ещё ведь погулять с собачкой,
    Заплатить за воду и за свет!

    Некогда, буквально, склеить ласты,
    Вот, на правой – трещина насквозь…
    Как назло, ещё и педерастов,
    Извиняюсь, много развелось…

    Всё понятно. Некогда, конечно...
    Но помочь-то мужики хотят -
    Все решили, что хоть в части женщин
    Каждый за вождя внесёт свой вклад!

    И, познав с народом единенье,
    Получив поддержки крепкой нить,
    Вождь пошёл вершить предназначенье
    И всем сердцем Родину любить!

    Поступью своей хозяйской, валкой
    Он ушёл, как водится, вперёд…
    Мужики вздохнули: -Ласты жалко!
    Так, по кочкам, до конца порвёт…

    В спину посмотрели умилённо:
    -Президент, а посмотри, как прост!

    И, достав из ватников погоны,
    Сели обмывать прибавку звёзд.


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