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    Putin's increasing police state and smth about some other countries

    How come no one here talks about Putin and his destruction of Russia?

    Putin and his unsavory Oligarch 'friends' are purging Russia of money for themselves and destroying the country in the process.

    They are increasingly introducing laws and actions contrary to liberal policies so infractions against the people's rights. Russia is becoming a police state like U.S., Canada, Germany and other Western countries. Putin and co. are controlled or are complicit with powerful people in Russia.

    Putin arrests politicians (from Parties) who are a threat to his power so these include Nationalists especially. Putin is a traitor but no one discusses this in Politics? Strange.

    Yes, Medvedev is current Prez but they are interchangeable...

    EU + U.S. + Israel + Russia = Elite traitors

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    I'm interested in this. Is there any place I can find more info, research, references? I know little and I'd like to know more.
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    Когда такие мысли приходят мне в голову, я говорю себе: "Если бы Путин хотел развалить страну и сдать её Западу, то давно уже бы это сделал."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pavelov View Post
    ... Putin is a traitor but no one discusses this in Politics? Strange. ...
    Just name-calling. We do not do it here.
    "...Важно, чтобы форум оставался местом, объединяющим людей, для которых интересны русский язык и культура. ..." - MasterАdmin (из переписки)



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    Just name-calling. We do not do it here.
    Человек думает о своей стране, о её будущем. Поэтому лучше ответить по существу: вопрос-то серьёзный.

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    Are there oligarchs in Belarus, or not?


    I can report from Belarus (I am currently there!) that as far as I can see, Gomel is in a very good shape.

    Everything is in good state of repair. Additionally, this might be the safest country in Europe (unless you are a political dissident...) Plenty of shops, restaurants, cafes etc. Things are in better shape than Ukraine (outside of central Kiev) and certainly than Moldova.

    No beggars or super-poor babushkas like I saw in Ukraine - older people look much better off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanna View Post

    Are there oligarchs in Belarus, or not?


    I can report from Belarus (I am currently there!) that as far as I can see, Gomel is in a very good shape.

    Everything is in good state of repair. Additionally, this might be the safest country in Europe (unless you are a political dissident...) Plenty of shops, restaurants, cafes etc. Things are in better shape than Ukraine (outside of central Kiev) and certainly than Moldova.

    No beggars or super-poor babushkas like I saw in Ukraine - older people look much better off.
    Hanna, I'd really like you (sure if that's possible) to take a trip deep in the country (somewhere far from big cities) and report on what you see there. That's what's gonna be really interesting to know as in cities they're obviously gonna try everything they can to make you think life there is a paradise...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pavelov View Post
    EU + U.S. + Israel + Russia = Elite traitors
    С козырей зашёл.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric C. View Post
    Hanna, I'd really like you (sure if that's possible) to take a trip deep in the country (somewhere far from big cities) and report on what you see there. That's what's gonna be really interesting to know as in cities they're obviously gonna try everything they can to make you think life there is a paradise...
    Eric, you drive me crazy! I don't think any officials etc in Belarus care what I think about how the country looks. Where do you get all your misinformation from? Fox News? 1950s spy novels? This is very obviously a modern country that's taken an ever-so-slightly different road politically, than Ukraine and Russia.

    1) Belarus is a free country - I can do what I like here for as long as my visa lasts (it's for 3 months). Including visiting poor villages. I would visit a village if there was some good reason to do that - but villages are tight-nit communities and it would be pretty weird if I just turned up to "check it out". Maybe there is some handicraft village or something like that, that I could visit.

    2) Obviously I am aware that the countryside of the entire CIS area is poor by Western standards. One of the main good points about the current Belarussian leadership, is that they have managed to keep rural villages in a better shape than they are in in Russia or Ukraine. That's why Lukashenko keeps getting re-elected, because poor and old people support him.

    Belarussians, correct me if I am wrong, but that's my impression.


    And are there oligarchs in Belarus? Does anyone know?

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    There are no oligarchs as it looks in Russia. There are few rich people by they are quiet and famous only each to other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanna View Post
    And are there oligarchs in Belarus?
    Belorussian oligarchs are poorer than Russian oilgarchs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BappaBa View Post
    С козырей зашёл.
    И не говори. Настолько толстый троллинг, что даже реагировать стыдно.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crocodile View Post
    И не говори. Настолько толстый троллинг, что даже реагировать стыдно.
    This is it!
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    ЧОРТ! Я всё пропустил.
    Send me a PM if you need me.

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    As usual, I walk straight into the trolling trap!
    I am not really half as "red" as I seem - but I just can't control myself when I see truly ignorant or false statements.

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    Why call me a troll? That is mean. I have read several articles about what Putin does and who he surrounds himself with. Also, based on previous history of when an economy collapses and how opportunists benefit at the expense of the people. Are you brainwashed? Are you brainwashed into thinking political leaders are good people? Your heroes are Obama, Bush, Blair, Cameron, Putin, Merkel et al? Sad.

    Throughout history, these leaders have benefited with certain people and groups and the people have been brainwashed into support because of ignorance and desperation.

    I cannot fathom why you have so much faith in Putin.

    I know you despise Gorbachev but even he is saying Putin's 'democracy' is a sham.

    I am not going by this as it won't be accepted but other articles and info I have read convinces me. But, it is a basic fact how these Governments deceive the people. Hopefully, Russians can realize before their country is destroyed like others.

    Because Lampada is so quick to accuse me of trolling and 'name-calling' (maybe look up word, 'traitor'), I doubt my articles can be allowed.

    Too bad there's no freedom here either. Maybe financed by friends of United Russia and friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pavelov View Post

    EU + U.S. + Israel + Russia = Elite traitors
    Честно говорю, прочитал и реально описался.
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    Ok, so what is the solution?

    Don't forget that as far as we know, Putin and United Russia won the latest election in Russia.
    People may be brainwashed..... but that's what they voted for.

    So if you want to get rid of Putin, what do you suggest?

    Military coup?
    Revolution...? by whom
    Another election with international monitors?
    Do you want the old communist system back?
    Or do you want a government that's more pro EU or pro USA than the current government.

    It's understandable that you are disillusioned but you should indicate exactly what you think is wrong, and what you think the solution would be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanna View Post
    Ok, so what is the solution?

    Don't forget that as far as we know, Putin and United Russia won the latest election in Russia.
    People may be brainwashed..... but that's what they voted for.
    They didn't vote en masse for United Russia. It goes like that:
    A regional UR leader 'asks' all affiliated businesses to bring votes. Since nearly all officials working for government are the members of the party they can arrange all kinds of problems for those who disagree. Thus, such businesses threaten their employees to fire them if they don't vote as they're told. Needless to say that apart from that there are all kinds of 'miracles' happen when they start counting votes. 104%, 110% or even 122% of votes can be cast for United Russia. And exit polls data miraculously differs from 'official results'.
    When elections are held there're no illusions about who's going to win. Everyone (and I mean it), everyone knows the winner right from the start. And 'just to be on the safe side' every opposing candidate in the bulletin is such a clown that no one in his right mind would cast a vote for him. Thus, either you go vote for clowns or United Russia or don't go (in this case your bulletin would be cast for United Russia - as many who didn't attend discovered later).
    Send me a PM if you need me.

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    Well, I believe you and it's a sad state of affairs.

    If Russia was going to remain a non-democratic one-party state; then: what was the point of all the chaos and tragedy in the 1990s?

    If the purpose was to introduce market economy because the people wanted that -- then it would have been simpler to do what China did.

    And it's ironic how many Eastern European politicians have a history of membership in organisations that were part of the Communist system. Now they say they are liberalist, democratic etc. But it seems they are mainly just opportunists and have no ideology at all.

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