Quote Originally Posted by Hanna View Post
You could give a whole bunch of factually correct information to support your version of events, and I could likewise give factually correct information to support my version. [...] We are unlikely to accept the other persons viewpoint unless some truly amazing information is unearthed. All we'd do would have done would be to spend a lot of time on places like Wikipedia and writing posts.
Exactly!!! You proved to me and I hope to yourself just now that just expressing each of our point of view is a total waste of time! What I was trying to attempt is a conversation about what's common between our point of views and not what's different. And if our point of views are based on anything more than just: "That's how I see it and I don't care about even defending it as I don't really remember why I started thinking this way. But now it's just too much effort to even think about it."

Quote Originally Posted by Hanna View Post
We can look at the exact same event, say for example the "Orange Revolution" in Ukraine, and we can give completely different descriptions of what happened.
Yeah, that's what I was told in the university. That helps you to live in peace with your beliefs. But, the reality is different. Because, if that would be completely true, the Historical Science would never come to existence. It's more or less the same logic that's behind the saying: "Each person is unique." That's a comfort resort from the reality. If that would be 100% true, the Sociology would never exist. Think about it.

Quote Originally Posted by Hanna View Post
But fundamentally I do think that destabilising political activities do take place in certain countries, instigated by US agencies like the CIA, and perhaps privately funded organisations. I also believe that the loans offered by IMF and developed countries to poorer countries are often a poisoned chalice, a bit like lending money from a loan shark or prostituting yourself for cash.
Let's say you're right. So, how would your point of view explains what happens in Zimbabwe? Why to outsource the entire resource-exploiting industry to the foreign corporations rather than doing it themselves: taking a loan from the IMF, hire specialists from all over the globe, purchase modern equipment, start educating your own population so they would be able to replace those foreign specialists in the future, pay off the IMF loan in 30 years and become one of the most prosperous countries in the world? In other words, why not to (using your terminology) prostitute yourself for cash now to gain the university degree and start making some big cash in the future? Why to prefer living on the street and clean the dishes for the rest of your life and deprive your children and grandchildren from a better future than living on the street, begging for change and look up at the rest of the world with constant hatred? Why is Zimbabwe which "sits on gold reserves worth trillions" is so poor? Because of the IMF constantly looking for whom it can impoverish it hadn't yet and the CIA dreaming of placing some brand-new military bases in Zimbabwe?