Thread: Putin's increasing police state and smth about some other countries

Originally Posted by Ramil

Anyone who tries to introduce some other international reserve currency (like golden dinar as it was with Gaddafi) immediately gets a 'democracy operation' in his country. What conspiracy? It's all there and nobody makes a secret out of it.

Wow, I'll be darned if you are not completely right. Saddam Hussein tried it too....
That's what it all comes down to. The dollar must be the top currency, even though it's actually not supported by anything other than the US military.... and then the need to commercialize everything, American style.

But there are two countries which the US cannot take on and be sure to win: China and Russia. Europe is already in the US pocket...

But if China and Russia could come to an agreement together to switch do some alternative, then things might change. Apparently China itself has masses of dollars saved though, and can not afford for them to lose their value.

Originally Posted by Hanna

Wow, I'll be darned if you are not completely right.

A little light-minded for a believer, might I say.

Originally Posted by Hanna

Wow, I'll be darned if you are not completely right. Saddam Hussein tried it too....
That's what it all comes down to. The dollar must be the top currency, even though it's actually not supported by anything other than the US military.... and then the need to commercialize everything, American style.

But there are two countries which the US cannot take on and be sure to win: China and Russia. Europe is already in the US pocket...

But if China and Russia could come to an agreement together to switch do some alternative, then things might change. Apparently China itself has masses of dollars saved though, and can not afford for them to lose their value.

Fair play, the road map seems to lead there.. but there can't be enough gas in the tank.... can there?

.. The idea that the 'golden dinar' would somehow be able to upstage not only the american dollar, but every other currency on the map? That the US should be worried that these new forms of currency would go from 0 to being the pace car of currencies, so we move in an expensive and costly (in terms of lives) "democracy operation?" I'm a conspiracy theorist enough to believe it.. but shouldn't there be something more imminently threatening than "the golden dinar?" (And, if we moved in on Saddam because of currency, then am I to believe that the stories of human torture wherein children were tied to ceiling fans until they were swung to death were fabricated? Or were they just "icing on the cake" for reasons to move in military?)

Please don't mistake this for an attempt to debate this; I merely want to know what everyone's thought are. I know nothing of these topics beyond what little I've read and I respect your opinions... my conspiracy theorist research has all been in reference to goings-on on American soil.

Originally Posted by Hanna

Wow, I'll be darned if you are not completely right. Saddam Hussein tried it too....

Ok, I finally got to look into that as well. Here's what I've found:

1. Saddam Hussein's decision was out there by at least Nov. 13, 2000 => Foreign Exchange: Saddam Turns His Back on Greenbacks - TIME
2. The Second Gulf War started on March 20, 2003.

Please, feel free to draw your own conclusion as to how tight those events are related.

Originally Posted by Crocodile

1. Saddam Hussein's decision was out there by at least Nov. 13, 2000 => Foreign Exchange: Saddam Turns His Back on Greenbacks - TIME
2. The Second Gulf War started on March 20, 2003.

Please, feel free to draw your own conclusion as to how tight those events are related.

He was talking about it just before the FIRST gulf war too, I've read. And TIME magazine? That "unbiased" publication? I'd rather trust Donald Duck!

But if you want to see the USA:s wars as completely justified freedom-and-democracy missions for the benefit of all humanity... then I don't think there is much anyone can say that will change your mind! After all, that is the official version. But did you believe in the official version in the papers when you lived in the USSR too? For example: The USSR war in Afghanistan.... That was just a humanitarian response to pleas of help from the majority of people in Afghanistan, who needed help to protect them from oppression, religious fanaticism and imperialist exploitation.... Completely justified war, right? Just like the gulf wars, the modern Afghanistan war etc, etc.

Originally Posted by Hanna

Completely justified war, right?

WAR! What is it good for? Absolutely nothin'..

Originally Posted by kidkboom

WAR! What is it good for? Absolutely nothin'..

It's good for business:

• First you sell the weapons...

• Then you sell the material and services to build up everything that's been destroyed.

• Then you and your friends get some good deals on whatever are the best business opportunities in the country that was defeated..

• Then you sell security services and other services to the occupying forces, etc, etc.

And if anyone asks why all this is happening, you make sure that the papers and TV staions that you and your friends own, say that it was all to fight terrorism, protect human rights, democracy and freedom.

Generals gathered in their masses / Just like witches at black masses / Evil minds that plot destruction / Sorcerors of death's construction / In the fields the bodies burning / As the war machine keeps turning / Death and hatred to mankind / Poisoning their brainwashed minds / (Oh lord yeah!) / Politicians hide themselves away / They only started the war / Why should they go out to fight? / They leave that role to the poor.. YouTube - Black Sabbath War Pigs

Originally Posted by Hanna

It's good for business:

A word about the images you attached. The Advertising Standards Canada had recently started a campaing which can probably address those creative images of yours:

Originally Posted by Hanna

He was talking about it just before the FIRST gulf war too, I've read.

I'm curious, so can you provide a link? Also, there's a HUGE difference between talking and announcing a decision, won't you think? For example, I'm talking about going on the super-dive marathon across the Atlantics. But, if I officially announce my decision to do that, that's another matter, is that not?

Originally Posted by Hanna

And TIME magazine? That "unbiased" publication? I'd rather trust Donald Duck!

I'm not sure you paid good attention to what I said. The only thing I want you to trust in the TIME magazine is the issue date.

Originally Posted by Hanna

But if you want to see the USA:s wars as completely justified freedom-and-democracy missions for the benefit of all humanity...

Goodness gracious!!!! I think we've been through that before. NEVER EVER had I said that. Why to put those words in my mouth?! It's truly wonderous to see a Political Science graduate that can only perceive the world monochromatically.

Originally Posted by Hanna

then I don't think there is much anyone can say that will change your mind!

Well, as I said I don't, so go ahead and change my mind.

Originally Posted by Hanna

After all, that is the official version. But did you believe in the official version in the papers when you lived in the USSR too? For example: The USSR war in Afghanistan.... That was just a humanitarian response to pleas of help from the majority of people in Afghanistan, who needed help to protect them from oppression, religious fanaticism and imperialist exploitation.... Completely justified war, right? Just like the gulf wars, the modern Afghanistan war etc, etc.

Ok, so you made my decision on my behalf without really asking me and now you're trying to educate me the official version can not be reflecting the entire truth? Hmm... what can I say...