Thread: Latest from Ukraine

Last thing I'll say here for now: My friend just made these points:
OSCE said that Russians have transported weapons to Donbass
Russian media has confirmed there are Russian volunteers/mercenaries fighting in Donbass - my own point -> if Putin didn't want that, they would not do it...how many Russian citizens defy Putin so easily?
population of territories controlled by separatists is about 4 million people. The population of Ukraine is about 40 million people now.

So, Donbass armies can keep making the Ukr army retreat repeadedly? Without any assistance? Russians that support the rebels have not answered these questions sufficiently....they just turn around and make a complaint about Ukraine. I think they are separate topics.

Lastly, Russian soldiers rarely speak up about it - they fear losing their benefits...

Originally Posted by 14Russian

OSCE said that Russians have transported weapons to Donbass

Please give me a link to OSCE site confirming that, I was not able to find any information backing it. Maybe your friend wanted it to be true but it's not (sounds like US senate pictures all over again)

Originally Posted by 14Russian

Russian media has confirmed there are Russian volunteers/mercenaries fighting in Donbass - my own point -> if Putin didn't want that, they would not do it...how many Russian citizens defy Putin so easily?

If your question is: does Russia have an interest in this conflict? My answer is - yes, it does
Are there any volunteers from Russia in Ukraine? Yes, there are.

What does Russia want? Federalization of Ukraine, Donbass region in Ukrainian borders with wide autonomy. Guarantees of non-NATO status for Ukraine.
Russia won't put WMD on Cuba, so it's fair for Russia to demand some guarantees for no NATO forces on Russian borders, that's my opinion.
No need to fight over it

Originally Posted by hddscan

Please give me a link to OSCE site confirming that, I was not able to find any information backing it. Maybe your friend wanted it to be true but it's not (sounds like US senate pictures all over again)

If your question is: does Russia have an interest in this conflict? My answer is - yes, it does
Are there any volunteers from Russia in Ukraine? Yes, there are.

What does Russia want? Federalization of Ukraine, Donbass region in Ukrainian borders with wide autonomy. Guarantees of non-NATO status for Ukraine.
Russia won't put WMD on Cuba, so it's fair for Russia to demand some guarantees for no NATO forces on Russian borders, that's my opinion.
No need to fight over it

RUSSIAN MEDIA FALSIFYING AND DISTORTING OSCE STATEMENTS | Ukraine Crisis Media Center | UACRISIS.ORG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZcapxK8O-g

'No Russian troops in Ukraine': Moscow's OSCE rep responds to Kiev's claims — RT News

It depends who you believe but an explanation is in the first link. I'll have to see what info my friend has but I'm tired of wasting time with you - constant lies.

Another false allegation by the rebels. No wonder, no one wants to believe Kremlin media. So, my argument stands and is very reasonable: 1. Pro-Putin people refuse to believe anything other than pro-Kremlin/Putin information. Norossiya/rebel side always says the truth; never lies, according to them. Any other source is a lie. This is their logic in a nutshell. They think everyone else is ignorant or lies. Blah, blah, blah.... heard it before.

https://translate.googleusercontent....w-76cOT_yhznMQ

One example of the rebel BS. I'm sure there's a lot more examples and if someone who wasn't pro-Putin on this site, they probably know of some (given their proximity to the situation and native language). But, there's only pro-Putin Russian speakers on this topic here. So, why bother, I say....

Originally Posted by 14Russian

It depends who you believe but an explanation is in the first link.

the video from the first(the one which was not "poisoned with Russian propaganda") link says, I quote: "The OSCE were unable to confirm if the troops in question were from Russian Army units"
That's not what you said, I quote: "OSCE said that Russians have transported weapons to Donbass"

Originally Posted by 14Russian

I'll have to see what info my friend

Sure, come back when you have actual links with actual proof on OSCE site, here is their site - Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe | OSCE
For now, as you were saying

Originally Posted by 14Russian

Blah, blah, blah.... heard it before.

Originally Posted by hddscan

Sure, come back when you have actual links with actual proof on OSCE site, here is their site - [url=http://www.osce.org]Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe | OSCE

http://www.osce.org/om/122243

Spot Report by the Observer Mission at the Russian checkpoints of Gukovo and Donetsk: Russian convoy of 90 vehicles crossed into Ukraine and returned back through Donetsk Border Crossing Point
On 31 January 2015 at 08:00 (Moscow time), a Russian convoy consisting of 90 vehicles arrived at the Donetsk Border Crossing Point (BCP). Cargo trucks were inspected by the Russian border guards and customs services. All the vehicles crossed back into the Russian Federation at 21:20 on January 31. This was the thirteenth Russian convoy crossing through the Donetsk BCP since the arrival of the Observer Mission (OM) at the Russian BCPs...

Originally Posted by 14Russian

Reports from the Observer Mission at the Russian Checkpoints Gukovo and Donetsk | OSCE

Spot Report by the Observer Mission at the Russian checkpoints of Gukovo and Donetsk: Russian convoy of 90 vehicles crossed into Ukraine and returned back through Donetsk Border Crossing Point
On 31 January 2015 at 08:00 (Moscow time), a Russian convoy consisting of 90 vehicles arrived at the Donetsk Border Crossing Point (BCP). Cargo trucks were inspected by the Russian border guards and customs services. All the vehicles crossed back into the Russian Federation at 21:20 on January 31. This was the thirteenth Russian convoy crossing through the Donetsk BCP since the arrival of the Observer Mission (OM) at the Russian BCPs...

More form the same article
"The convoy consisted of 81 cargo trucks and 9 escort vehicles. All trucks bore the inscription “Humanitarian help from the Russian Federation”.
At 19:50 on 31 January, the convoy arrived, lined up at the customs area of the BCP and cargo trucks were inspected by Russian officers. The OM saw Ukrainian officers taking part in the inspection too."

That's humanitarian aid. Please also note that the trucks were inspected by Ukrainian officers
I believe I already posted video from one the convoys, it showed humanitarian aid inside the trucks.


PS: you wanted to show me a link that OSCE said that Russia moves weapons to Ukraine, still waiting to see it. Hint: there is none.

Originally Posted by hddscan

More form the same article
"The convoy consisted of 81 cargo trucks and 9 escort vehicles. All trucks bore the inscription “Humanitarian help from the Russian Federation”.
At 19:50 on 31 January, the convoy arrived, lined up at the customs area of the BCP and cargo trucks were inspected by Russian officers. The OM saw Ukrainian officers taking part in the inspection too."

That's humanitarian aid. Please also note that the trucks were inspected by Ukrainian officers
I believe I already posted video from one the convoys, it showed humanitarian aid inside the trucks.


PS: you wanted me to show a link that OSCE said that Russia moves weapons to Ukraine, still waiting to see it. Hint: there is none.

You are trying so hard, that it becomes suspicious.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

So, Donbass armies can keep making the Ukr army retreat repeadedly?

Again, not true (already wrote to Lampada about that)
Ukrainian army was advancing Spring-Summer of 2014 until they lost a huge battle near Illovaysk.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

Without any assistance?

There is assistance but no weapons and no troops

Originally Posted by 14Russian

Lastly, Russian soldiers rarely speak up about it - they fear losing their benefits...

This is a little bit unclear to me. What do Russian soldiers rarely speak of?
About Ukraine?
But they rarely speak of anything not only Ukraine it's how Russian army is, it's all secrets