Thread: Latest from Ukraine

Originally Posted by hddscan

Measuring diameter of craters on satellite images and predicting where a shell came from based solemnly on that is not even wahtaboutery it's just BS.

And here is a confirmation, from the very article

Bottom line - BS

So what? IT just says it's unproven. There's lots of info reported that Russia has been involved but of course, every single one of them is denied by Putinoids. Yeah, I suppose NONE are accurate. But, logically, Russia borders this region in Ukraine and the rebels never seem to run out of military equipment. I am using a logical argument here. You are not.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

So what? IT just says it's unproven. There's lots of info reported that Russia has been involved but of course, every single one of them is denied by Putinoids. Yeah, I suppose NONE are accurate. But, logically, Russia borders this region in Ukraine and the rebels never seem to run out of military equipment. I am using a logical argument here. You are not.

About credibility of Kiev's "proofs"
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/14/wo...tion.html?_r=0

When Senator James Inhofe took the floor of the Senate on Wednesday to argue for arming the Ukrainian military, he brought with him what he called indisputable proof of Moscow’s support for the separatists in eastern Ukraine — a poster with three large photographs of “Russian tanks entering Ukrainian territory.” In his prepared remarks, Mr. Inhofe, a Republican from Oklahoma, said the images of “Russian troops in T-72 tanks, B.T.R. armored personnel carriers, and B.M.P. infantry fighting vehicles entering eastern Ukraine” constituted evidence of “an invasion of the Ukraine by Russia.”

In fact, one of the images showing Russian tanks in South Ossetia in 2008 that was provided to Mr. Inhofe was posted on the website of Ukraine’s foreign ministry on Aug. 1 as supposed proof that “a long convoy of armored vehicles and several KAMAZ with armed men crossed Ukrainian-Russian border” one day earlier.

So if there is no proof then Kiev "makes" it, that's how it was done since the beginning of this conflict

Originally Posted by hddscan

.So if there is no proof then Kiev "makes" it, that's how it was done since the beginning of this conflict

LOL! Yeah, yeah, both sides accuse each other of using old videos and photographs. So, what?

You didn't answer the question. That's because you can't. The right questions aren't being asked. That's because Ukraine's leadership is inept. Imho. Their strategy is awful. They're in over their heads.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

You didn't answer the question.

Could you formulate your question in one sentence and I'll answer it?

Originally Posted by hddscan

Could you formulate your question in one sentence and I'll answer it?

Why does there seem to be an endless supply of military equipment and weapons in that region? I could expand on that - what's the numbers for the Ukraine army vs rebels? The rebels seem to be making the most advancements. It's in Russia's best interest to do so. They border the area - so, it's logical to assume that they are supplying weapons.

I don't buy they already had equipment. Not that much. Also, there were already Russian general there including Girkin. All the logic points to these theories to being probable facts. Nothing else makes sense.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

Why does there seem to be an endless supply of military equipment and weapons in that region?

Because there are a lot of weapons left from USSR times
As a person who was on several military storage sites I can tell you that there are a lot of weapons stored, some even from before WWII. They don't exist on paper but they do exist in real life.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

It's in Russia's best interest to do so. They border the area - so, it's logical to assume that they are supplying weapons.

By that logic Poland were supposed to supply plenty of arms and troops to Ukraine. It's your logic, remember that.

Originally Posted by hddscan

By that logic Poland were supposed to supply plenty of arms and troops to Ukraine. It's your logic, remember that.

Except, there are no terrorists at the Ukrainian Polish border.

More fakes about Russian troops in Ukraine, this time from Germany - http://rt.com/news/232963-germany-russia-tanks-ukraine/

What's the point to show all these fakes if

It's obvious Russia is sending weapons and military gear.

I mean if it's obvious why all the fakes?

Originally Posted by hddscan

More fakes about Russian troops in Ukraine, this time from Germany - http://rt.com/news/232963-germany-russia-tanks-ukraine/

What's the point to show all these fakes if
I mean if it's obvious why all the fakes?

Germany wants a reason to say out of it. Even though, they are obedient to the West (USA etc.), they have economic ties to Russia and Russia's effect on the EU mean they are divided. The rich there have money at stake so they sabotage info. It's all about money.

That's my theory on why all the fakes.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

That's my theory on why all the fakes.

You mean they show all the fakes to lose their own credibility and to confirm that there is no Russian troops in Ukraine?
Does Kiev do all the fakes for the same reason?

Originally Posted by hddscan

You mean they show all the fakes to lose their own credibility and to confirm that there is no Russian troops in Ukraine?
Does Kiev do all the fakes for the same reason?

Oh, so every image or example is a fake? Putinoid logic again - Russian/rebel source true - everything else is fake/false.

I don't know of any Kiev fakes. They're all fakes according to you. Anything that comes from the other parts of Ukraine (Kiev or otherwise) is a fake - by definition. It's a waste of time answering your nonsense.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

Oh, so every image or example is a fake?

I don't know that but I haven't seen any which are not fake.
For example:
Footage of BUK showed by Kiev claiming that it's rebels'/Russian - confirmed to be filmed on Ukrainian-controlled sites.
Satellite images from Pentagon, with crayon drawings - confirmed to be fake
Latest satellite images don't even prove anything, it's just black spots of something on it, not even have shapes of vehicles
Germany footage - it's from 2008
US senate pictures - again, from 2008
Crater analysis - is not a proof, per article.

Do you know anything else?

Originally Posted by 14Russian

They're all fakes according to you.

I can back my words with links on investigations, just tell me which ones you'd like to see

Originally Posted by 14Russian

Putinoid logic again - Russian/rebel source true - everything else is fake/false.

Also, please refrain from personal attacks they don't make you look more credible, quite the opposite.
And I think people get banned for that

Originally Posted by hddscan

Also, please refrain from personal attacks they don't make you look more credible, quite the opposite.
And I think people get banned for that

Then, you'll probably get banned soon? I only posted a truth.

'Again, not true (already wrote to Lampada about that)
Ukrainian army was advancing Spring-Summer of 2014 until they lost a huge battle near Illovaysk.'
So what? I'm talking about the endless advancement and presence of heavy military that is ongoing. The population differences etc. etc. So, you have no answer as I suspected. Thank you.