Quote Originally Posted by Misha Tal
Nelson Mandela had his suffering.
Well, some people like Ramil would say that the only adequate penalty for killing is the death sentence. So, according to those, a bit fun Nelson Mandela did not have enough suffering.

Quote Originally Posted by Misha Tal
My point was that even if they are equal from the legal point of view [murder is murder], there's still a difference felt in the way they kill. Has Mahmoud Abbas ever blown up a mosque with people praying inside?
No he hadn't, because his enemies do not use mosques to pray. But, I agree with you, Mahmoud Abbas was not as ruthless killer as Yassir Araft. That's why Mahmoud Abbas didn't get the Nobel Peace Prize, unlike Yassir Arafat.

Quote Originally Posted by Misha Tal
No, you didn't. I said I don't feel sympathy with him. How does that mean that I fundamentally accept torture? We just have to agree, in a world where there is suicide bombing, there is torture too.
Ok, got you, so shall we torture Mahmoud Abbas? There are lots of suicide bombings in his world, aren't they?

Quote Originally Posted by Misha Tal
Seems like they suffered for a good cause.
Uhm, what's bad in a cause "improve conditions for ethnic Baluchis" and "fighting exclusively for the rights of Sunni Muslims in Iran?"

Quote Originally Posted by Misha Tal
That's what Rigi confessed.
But, he was most likely tortured!! So, his 'confession' does not worth a dime! That's how the Iranian officials want to portray the Jundullah. You can't really draw any conclusions based on his 'confessions'.

Quote Originally Posted by Misha Tal
But you are terribly wrong on that "democratically elected" thing. Or perhaps it was a joke?
Yes, it was. Russian elections are also democratic. There's so much interest in the elections that in some electoral districts the participation is more than 100% of voters.

Quote Originally Posted by Misha Tal
That's what I meant by "trying to look like a hero". He wanted to kill. He could just keep killing and shut it up. But he took advantage of people's religious and ethnic prejudice. Dirtier is unimaginable.
What about the other leaders? Why can't you say that about Yassir Arafat? Or Nelson Mandela? Or, perhaps, Fidel Castro wanted to kill and torture people so much so that he took advantage of the working class fellows, used some demagogy and made that whole heroic 'revolution' thing? Do you know how many people [a bit fun] Fidel Castro have killed? The poor Rigi guy is no match for that revolutionary giant who [presumably] wanted a lot of social justice. How can you really make a difference?