Thread: Future of Eastern Ukraine? / Будущее Восточной Украины?

Originally Posted by Eric C.

And then, just for the record, ANY nation that doesn't like anything about Russia can do the same to Russia, right? Sorry, but those people who "demand" that are not very smart, to put it VERY mildly.

On the latest Ukrainian events, I repeat it one more time, as long as I'm not sure who started the sh*t, I cannot hold any firm opinion, but even at this point I can say the following: any innocent person who died in that conflict is a big loss and horrible tragedy, BUT any attacker with a weapon who used it to bring in violence is not even worth talking about him, and in fact the more of such individuals were wiped off, the better.

Eric, if you want to understand, why majority of Russians are justifying Crimea annexation and, after yesterday, invasion into continental Ukraine, you should bear in mind that these people, including me, think that border that appeared in 1991 between Russia and Ukraine is a joke and when USA and EU are messing with Ukraine they are messing with our internal affairs. Killed pro-Russian Ukrainians are considered as our compatriots and opposide side is considered as mad neo-nazi USA puppets.
And don't put analogy with Baltic states, Finland, Poland, Middle-Asian stans (except Kazakhstan) and Caucasus, please. Baltics were always considered as "special snowflakes" even in Soviet Union. Despite some disputable cities, like Narva, no one here consider, say, Estonians our compatriots. But most questions with Baltic countries were succesfully solved in the last years, borders officially marked, etc. Ukraine is completley different case.

Originally Posted by Basil77

Eric, if you want to understand, why majority of Russians are justifying Crimea annexation and, after yesterday, invasion into continental Ukraine, you should bear in mind that these people, including me, think that border that appeared in 1991 between Russia and Ukraine is a joke and when USA and EU are messing with Ukraine they are messing with our internal affairs. Killed pro-Russian Ukrainians are considered as our compatriots and opposide side is considered as mad neo-nazi USA puppets.

And I guess the same goes for the other 13 former soviet republics, right? That's an amazingly wrong attitude, you should fix it! It's the artificially created states like the USSR, Checzho-Slovakia, Yugoslavia etc. that is to be considered "the joke". Luckily, most of those are history now. And I don't get you folks, you live in the biggest country in the world and still look for expansion, WHAT FOR???

Originally Posted by Eric C.

And I guess the same goes for the other 13 former soviet republics, right? That's an amazingly wrong attitude, you should fix it! It's the artificially created states like the USSR, Checzho-Slovakia, Yugoslavia etc. that is to be considered "the joke". Luckily, most of those are history now. And I don't get you folks, you live in the biggest country in the world and still look for expansion, WHAT FOR???

You guess wrong. This is right only for Belarus, the south-eastern part of Ukraine and the northern part of Kazakhstan wich are historically and mentally our compatriots. And yes, North Caucasus, including Chechnya is considered aliens. You are right about USSR was artificially created. All tensions between former USSR republics happen because of artificially drawn borders by Lenin and Stalin.

Originally Posted by Basil77

Eric, if you want to understand, why majority of Russians are justifying Crimea annexation and, after yesterday, invasion into continental Ukraine, you should bear in mind that these people, including me, think that border that appeared in 1991 between Russia and Ukraine is a joke and when USA and EU are messing with Ukraine they are messing with our internal affairs. Killed pro-Russian Ukrainians are considered as our compatriots and opposide side is considered as mad neo-nazi USA puppets.
And don't put analogy with Baltic states, Finland, Poland, Middle-Asian stans (except Kazakhstan) and Caucasus, please. Baltics were always considered as "special snowflakes" even in Soviet Union. Despite some disputable cities, like Narva, no one here consider, say, Estonians our compatriots. But most questions with Baltic countries were succesfully solved in the last years, borders officially marked, etc. Ukraine is completley different case.

I get it now. So, it's a psychological and mental issue. " you should bear in mind that these people, including me, think that border that appeared in 1991 between Russia and Ukraine is a joke." So, it was okay when Yanukovych was in power and that when Tymoshenko stole money and made sure that Putin had a cushy deal - that was okay because, in essence, Ukraine was somewhat of a de facto Kremlin government? Right? Thus, corruption, killing Ukrainian citizens that don't worship the Kremlin is justified to maintain the status quo and make sure that Ukraine steps in line of what the Kremlin wants. That makes sense.

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