"— Тебя как, сразу прикончить или желаешь помучаться?
— Лучше, конечно, помучаться."
Если бы Россия "проглотила" события на Украине, это бы означало медленный, но неизбежный конец её как суверенного государства. Странно, что кто-то этого не понимает.
А кто выйдет живым из текущей экономической войны, мы еще поглядим.
"Was mich nicht umbringt, macht mich stärker".
I know it's "MR" not "ME", but still: fix my english mistakes, please!
The 36% of the GDP is really based on heavy industry, but the significant part of it are oil-gas, and as you can see we don`t export much of anything elseOriginally Posted by Antonio1986
Steel exports are 8 % and machines - 6 %, food 4 % and that`s it, now it can be suggested that the current situation (in 2014-2015) might be even worse. Since everyone hates us. Like Ukrainians who intentionally boycott our food.
Don`t be naive about our military power. The old technologies still might be interesting for some 3rd-world countries but even this is starting to decay. You can learn that almost half of rockets literally will never reach its target (check Статистика испытаний советских и российских БРПЛ https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91...5%D1%82%D0%B0) - section "успешные"). Russians are good at showing their flabby muscles and rusty rockets, but it`s not about the amounts of tanks you have, but how modern they are. By the way... When you check wikipidea lists - you probably get impressed about the number of military personell and tanks, but the secret is that Russia can barely protect it`s own borders. Only ~35 thousand out 1 million soldiers are professionals, everyone else are rookies recruited due to our conscription who often don`t even have a chance to practice their shooting skills at least once during 12-months service. Concerning tanks... only god knows how many we actually do have and which are ready to be used. Same with airplanes - interceptors fall from time to time during tests (recently Mig-29 fell in Moscow suburbs Истребитель МиГ-29 упал в ста метрах от здания школы в Подмосковье - Первый по срочным новостям — LIFE | NEWS).
Space industry is over for Russia as well - google it. It`s not competitive any longer. We don`t have such guys like Elon Musk (he is a real Steve Jobs in space industry in case you haven`t heard of him). Our oligarchs who came to their fortunes by nationalisation and other semi-legal schemes don`t have much of a talent in order to develop something unique. Promises to creat a brand new russian vehicle are forgotten. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yo-Mobile "Ё-мобиль") But I don`t blame them... Russia is definetely no the best soil to organize a multimillion businesses because you can loose it at any moment and get behind bars when someone wants to tackle it using his political or executive power.
- yeah, tell this to Russians, test your destiny... Again, you`ve heard about "USA inequality" but that`s a complete joke. You haven`t seen the reality yet. Millions of Russians work as teachers, doctors, in sales, on factories (of those great heavy industries you mentioned)... just for less than 200-300 $ \ month. Some come to Moscow for earnings, working 45 days in retail large stores (like french Auchan), doing $800 for that period, spending 12-14 hours on legs. Don`t forget that prices on food in Russia are higher than in USA since we import the majority of it. At the same time some made multimillion (or billion) fortunes just in several years without working hard, by just finding themselves at the right plce on the right time.Russia is corrupted, but USA and China has biggest inequality on income based on the Gini Coefficient. Perhaps USA has more poor people per analogy of population than Russia.
- of course they can be compared. We started under same conditions 20 years ago. Their economies used to be damaged by our communist regime as well. And - again - they had no such amount of natural resources. That`s even if you make me to believe in your "new colony" absurdity. If we had enough will - we could diversify our economy, invest in education and scienece, but decided to spent much of an incomes on military (like useless Cruisers in Medittarian Sea, Mistral ship etc etc), Olympics 2014, FIFA 2018 and other toys. We had all kind of possibilites and fcuked them up. (And why everyone is so sure that americans are the reason why countries like South Korea or eastern Europe states came from ashes to prosperity? They have got nothing else to do to feed 60 millions Polands? That`s a complete russian-propaganda nonsence, explaining our laziness.)These countries cannot be compared with Russia, because they are protectorates of the Big Powers (new colonies).
Dignity?
We broke the law. We became a non-grata country. We used to be a full member of civilized world, now the whole world detests us. Don`t mix "balls" with russian stupidity. That doesn`t matter what the population of Crimea consists of (actually tatars and ukrainians were at least % 25-40 of it - so they had to leave their homes). The land belongs to Ukraine, that`s what matters. With russians or without on it.
Russians should learn the history first. And then, to learn to respect the law. Since we are not able to - I can`t see any "dignity" in taking by force something that doesn`t belong to us. Then no one will invest in our economy, no Elon Musk will occur here willing to spend biliions on researches. If the government doesn`t respect the private property -
no one will respect us.
And I don`t care about sences of my dear nationals, their fear ofNATO or smth... Wanna live in peace? 1. Create professional army (do not expand your power everywhere from Cuba to Black Sea and Syria, but be humble and smart... we are not USA and cannot be like them.) 2. Act correctly on international arena.
Horror stories about NATO were writted in order to make the nation believe that enemies are everywhere. In fact, there is nothing concertning safety. That`s just the way of pursuing someones political goals.
Law? Laws in geopolitics don't exist anymore. For Russia having pro-american regime in Ukraine means death as an independent country. Everyone in big politics understands that. And still US+EU forced the issue. Putin had 2 options: let his country die slowly but surely or throw it into a war having little chances to succeed. Everyone expected him to choose former. He choosed latter. Everyone hates him now.
I know it's "MR" not "ME", but still: fix my english mistakes, please!
Neither of the two points (namely, the Ukrainian rule would be"pro-American", and that a pro-American regime at Russia's borders would threaten its sovereignty) is actually backed up by any evidence, anything but countless statements made by guys who do propaganda for a living. Why oppose yourselves to "evil America" and raise the iron curtain again? You two used to be friends, just recall those times. Stop thinking of everyone out there as your enemies. Maybe some of what's going on in the world would threaten someone's autocracy, but certainly not your whole country. Think about that.
And anyway, starting a war with another state out of geopolitical reasons is both a very stupid, and dirty and inhuman thing to do.
Learned from the best
How are those two even connected? Except maybe the keyword "evidence"
No evidence, huh?
Victoria Nuland was not discussing who she does and who she does not want to see in the Rada?
NATO was not planning to place anti-missile systems in Poland? And now they have Ukraine - way better place for anti-missile systems. Nice step to break that disturbing nuclear parity.
Also Sevastopol port has huge strategic importance for russian Navy in the Black Sea. That needs no evidence - it's geography. Does anyone believe that after joining NATO Ukraine would allow russian Navy to stay in Crimea?
There were times when Russia believed in fairytales about "you have no enemies" and "NATO will never expand to the East". We've learned something from those.
I know it's "MR" not "ME", but still: fix my english mistakes, please!
"Those who don't steal aren't afraid of police patrols. " No matter what, anti-missile systems are very good, and hopefully they spread everywhere in massive numbers. While on the other side of it, humanity has to find a way to get rid of ALL nuclear weapons any country possesses, completely once and for all. Let the dumba**es shout out loud and dick measure (I believe that's what they call "politics"), but without that nuclear stuff.
First of all, China, Brazil, India, Iran, Indonesia, South Africa and others couldn't give a darn about what happened in Ukraine, either way. The US and the EU doesn't constitute the entire world.
Secondly, a lot of people in Europe and a fair number in North America realise that mainstream media is telling a pack of lies about Ukraine.
They are only presenting only one side of the story, and they are presenting unsubstantiated rumours as facts because it suits their narrative. People need to hear both sides of the story with as much evidence as possible.
If anyone is guilty of creating the situation in Ukraine, it's those who spurred on the coup d'etat. I see no proof that the Russian state is pulling the strings of the rebels in Donbass. All it's guilty of is not sealing its borders or preventing its citizens from supporting the rebels. As for Crimea, how the hell can anyone be against something that 90% of the population somewhere supports? That's being against democracy and that's essentially the position somebody condemning Russia for Crimea would have to take. Also, such a person would have to be some kind of history and culture revisionist.
Russia has nothing to be ashamed of in regards to any of these events. The situation wouldn't even have occurred if Washington with the help of Brussels hadn't decided it wanted to oust Yanukovich. Russia didn't start it.
If you want to feel bad about something your country is falsely accused of, I am not going to stop you.
But it would make a lot more sense for you to feel bad about, for example, unfair treatment of people during the USSR times, or corruption and social injustices in modern Russia - these things are real and indisputable.
America's political accusations about Russia's foreign policy are lies - it's rather sad that you would choose to believe it.
Also to mention an other alerting issue that jeopardizes the currency stability in Russia (International currency / exchange reserves).
It smells 1998.
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Чем больше слов, тем меньше они стоят.
I don't think so... It couldn't get that bad again.
Russia's come a long way since then and whatever else people think about United Russia party, they have some very good expert advisers who know what they are doing. Including financial people.
Also as many have pointed out, no other party will win an election in Russia, so whatever financial program is launched to tackle the problem, it will be allowed to run its course, probably good. Stability is good. That rarely happens in Europe, where everything is short term.
"This too will pass" It's a temporary set back for a country that cannot but get richer.
Just a shame that people will have hard times until this is over.
Of course I have never been through anything like this - but Russians have, and are tough!
In Stockholm where I come from, apparently 30% of all tourists are Russians (I didn't know that, but just read it in the paper) and they are the best spenders of all. This year, practically no Russians are coming. Apparently this will lead to huge losses in hotels and tourist shops.
I agree with all of Sergei's points. Russia is not self-sufficient. This is not caused by Russians in themselves but the leadership of the government. They were lied to - e.g. 'the rouble is strong' as Sergei is saying.
I think it's actually worse than what is being reported. The reason?: Most economies all over the world are in trouble, some sort of decline, even China's. That's because people are in debt across most Western nations or don't have the purchasing power they once had. In many Western countries, that's not very evident yet as you see on the news, people running towards discount days (Black Friday) and Christmas shopping. But, the American and Canadian dollar have been plummeting although the USA dollars has stabilized somewhat - but, much of that is probably because of the other currencies falling (IMHO).
Oil prices have been free-falling and Putin had been throwing money around (that Sochi Olympic investment looks really awful now) and Russia has been trying to save their banks - bailouts don't work. But, with doctors and teachers being laid off or losing their jobs, there is no support for ordinary Russians. Inflation is also hurting Russians so both economics and politics have been heavily mismanaged by Russia's government. Yet, they will try to spin it away from their responsibility. Not recognizing the deception is the only thing one could fault *those* particular Russians for. If I could articulate it all in Russian, it might be more receptive. Sorry, I can't. Прости.
There is no point to create hysteria.
And there is also no point to read "the experts" on countless MSM sites, since they were lying before and sure they lie now.
Russian economy was always oil and gas oriented and eventually the consequences are to come, as right now. But to get out of this dependency Russia has to start producing and exporting goods. For that the export should be cheap.
Right now it is a good time to let ruble "fall" or more precise to let it find its real value, because it is easy to blame the US and the EU for "the sanctions". The CBR could have stopped the fall by intervening on the currency market but it deliberately chose not to, to save money and to let ruble fly.
On behind that some interesting things happening:
CBR increased the interest rate to 17% but not for all loans.
It left investment oriented loans on 9%
Military loans on 10.5%
And, most importantly, small business loans on 6.5%
It is clear that Russia FINALLY wants to start creating businesses.
It won't be easy and there are many things to overcome but it's a start.
Stick to the topic, everyone.
You've made a statement, good sir. And now you deny others to reply to it. Is that a proper way to discuss things?
You've made a political statement and suddenly everyone discusses politics. In forum section called "Politics". How dare they!
I know it's "MR" not "ME", but still: fix my english mistakes, please!
No, he just stated a fact. You're going on a tangent, diverting away from the topic to make statements you've already made in other threads (RE: Ukraine, USA involvement etc. etc.).
Btw, I stated quite a while ago that Russia's economy would collapse and it would be soon.
Why Russia Is Destroying Its Own Economy
Jacob Davidson
In short, because Russia has a problem more urgent than its declining GDP.
Things aren’t exactly going well in Vladimir Putin’s Russia. Oil prices have fallen to $59 a barrel and the nation’s economy is on pace to contract between 4.5% and 4.7%—more than twice the contraction caused by our own Great Recession—if that price remains at $60 or below. Meanwhile, Russia is straining against American and European sanctions that are putting even more pressure on the country’s finances.
When the United States was facing recession, our Federal Reserve lowered interest rates to near-zero levels—and has kept them there. That stimulated the economy by making spending and investing more attractive (credit was cheap) and turning saving into a losing proposition (on top of low interest payments, money in the bank could potentially be eaten away by inflation).
But Russia has apparently adopted the opposite strategy. Instead of lowering rates to spur investment, the nation’s central bank has raised its key rate to a whopping 17%. That means simply leaving rubles in the bank will lead to extraordinarily high risk-free returns. Unless businesses can find an investment opportunity that will make them even higher returns, a very tall order, there’s no point in withdrawing any money. Why spend on a new store or factory when you’ll make more just letting your cash sit in a vault?
It’s very likely, in other words, that Russia’s higher interest rates will slow its already slowing economy. Rosnef, a state-owned oil company, has already accused the central bank of “pushing Russia towards recession.”
But if that’s true, then why is Russia pursuing such a policy? The reason is that Russia has an arguably even more urgent problem than its slowing economy. Russia’s currency, the ruble, has been in free-fall as oil prices have dropped, and is now down 47% against the dollar since the beginning of the year. This is a big problem for Russian companies that need to pay their debt in dollars, and whose rubles are now worth nothing on international markets. Worse, Western economic sanctions have prevented businesses from accessing reserves of foreign currencies overseas. Without drastic action, Russia could find its economy permanently crippled by an all-but-worthless currency.
Since people selling their rubles for dollars is what’s pushing the currency down, the central bank has raised interest rates to make holding on to rubles more attractive. That’s meant to keep the currency’s value up, even at the expense of short-term economic growth.
The plan doesn’t appear to be working, however. Even after a massive jump in interest rates, the ruble has continued to crater. Economists are now suggesting Russia may be forced to impose capital controls—policies that would make trading rubes for dollars more difficult or expensive, or require exporters to convert dollars to rubles—to prevent a further sell-off.
Ultimately, anything short of an increase in oil prices is unlikely to do much good. Oil and gas revenues make up roughly half of Russia’s budget, and without that money, the country is in for rough times. “The central bank was too late with its move,” one expert told Bloomberg. “Without oil and the economy stabilizing, the ruble won’t rise.”
Why Russia Is Destroying Its Own Economy - Time.com
Another bright and shiny example of "the expert" with his "expert opinion"
When the US was facing the recession dollar almost started deflating thus the low interest rates to stimulate economy.
Russian ruble has quite a spin of inflation thus the high interest rate.
Although "the expert" suddenly forgot to mention that.
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