Thread: The end.

Originally Posted by Suobig

NATO was not planning to place anti-missile systems in Poland? And now they have Ukraine - way better place for anti-missile systems. Nice step to break that disturbing nuclear parity.

"Those who don't steal aren't afraid of police patrols. " No matter what, anti-missile systems are very good, and hopefully they spread everywhere in massive numbers. While on the other side of it, humanity has to find a way to get rid of ALL nuclear weapons any country possesses, completely once and for all. Let the dumba**es shout out loud and dick measure (I believe that's what they call "politics"), but without that nuclear stuff.

Originally Posted by Eric C.

"Those who don't steal (UKRAINE) aren't afraid of police patrols...

^ FTFY

The west demanded that Russian troops withdraw from the border... after the unconstitutional coup of the legally elected, democratic government...

More on-topic:
Prices are rising in the US faster than normal. Especially food. We live in one of the least (if not the least) populated regions in the US where the prices are the lowest in the US.
Apartments that were leased for about $800 / month last year are now leasing for $1,500 / month this year. Fortunately my parents are owners, not tenants, but I do know property owners that lease and their prices.
My new TV that was selling for less than $200 was more than $300 when I got it this year. Food prices surprised everyone. The closest estimate dad could make was a 35% rise since last spring.
And my new hiking boots that were advertised for $94 cost $160 when I got those.

So nobody can tell me that the stupid sanctions aren't affecting the US. They are. Dad said it's normal for prices to increase each year but these increases are not normal.
At the last OPEC meeting, the Saudis claimed they could survive $60 / barrel for about 1 year. They didn't say how long they could survive prices below that - definitely not for a whole year. The oil prices will go back up.
But "The end"? That's laughable.
A better title woulda been "The big temporary dip".
And yeah, I know that dip won't be easy for a lot of people - here and especially in Russia. But it will end.
In the US, the new Sanctions / Lethal Aid bill (that Congress pressured Obama into signing, btw) is totally reprehensible and disgusting but it only gives Obama the power to do those things (it doesn't force him to do it) and he doesn't seem very willing to. Good.
But I'm not an economist so I don't really understand the recent plunge in the ruble - I just hope it gets fixed really soon.
And don't forget, the purpose of the sanctions is "Regime change in Russia". So don't forget what happened the last time "Regime change" happened (1990's).
Anyway, I'm happy to see that Russia is diversifying it's economy. I hope it can find ways to prevent this from happening again.

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Russia is on of the most powerful exporting economies globally.
It's economy's dependency on oil prices is massive, but no one can claim that other countries are in a better position.
Other countries (especially North Europe and the Baltics) are doomed to be dependent on the exports from other countries.
Even during this huge crisis with the extreme decrease of incomes these countries were unable to reduce their imports.

Originally Posted by UhOhXplode

Anyway, I'm happy to see that Russia is diversifying it's economy. I hope it can find ways to prevent this from happening again.

You have got no idea what you`re talking about...


Btw, what about petrol (gasoline...) prices in the USA? I`ve heard they are literally like never been better.
Why don`t you mention that?

Originally Posted by Serge_spb

You have got no idea what you`re talking about...

Btw, what about petrol (gasoline...) prices in the USA? I`ve heard they are literally like never been better.
Why don`t you mention that?

I don't live in Russia so I only know what I read and what people say.
Anyway, one of my dad's friends is a landlord and he talks about leases, my parents discuss food prices, and the new TV and the boots are mine so I know how much they cost. But I don't drive so there's no reason to look at gas prices.
Tbh, I don't have a clue how much gas costs. We almost never stop at a station and, when we do, I don't read the signs because the pumps are always at a convenience store and all I wanna do is go in and get a coke or something.
When I know how much gas costs, I'll post that too but first I'll need to find out how much it cost last year. I don't know that either but I can ask.
Btw, why so negative? Imo, the only way to solve issues is being hardcore and positive.

Originally Posted by Serge_spb

Btw, what about petrol (gasoline...) prices in the USA?

Gasoline prices by state - CNNMoney.com

Originally Posted by UhOhXplode

Btw, why so negative? Imo, the only way to solve issues is being hardcore and positive.

It's Russian mindset. Fatalism prevails, mostly comes from personal experience. Can't blame people who survived so many crises: USSR collapse, Chechen wars, Default of 1998, World crisis of 2008 and now this.

Originally Posted by hddscan

It's Russian mindset. Fatalism prevails, mostly comes from personal experience. Can't blame people who survived so many crises: USSR collapse, Chechen wars, Default of 1998, World crisis of 2008 and now this.

Oh boy...

What I say is based on a clear understanding of reality. Nothing more or less.

I intentionally didn`t comment one of your earlier comments.

"It is clear that Russia FINALLY wants to start creating businesses.
It won't be easy and there are many things to overcome but it's a start."
(The end.)

Now, what was that, I`m sorry?

Did we have any obstacles for doing this BEFOREHAND? During the last 10 years?

Promises are great, promises like "sanctions are a god`s bless, finally our own producers won`t be supressed by europeans and we`ll be able to begin producing our own food... just in three months". What we see in reality? Food prices went up 20-25 % and more, we consume the majority of the same goods, coming to Russia from non-EU states.

Because it takes years to learn the technology of growing smth.
I`m not even talking about heavy industries (if it is what you meant under "businesses").

I`ll post one video here. Don`t think though that I`m a big fan of tovarisch Potapenko



But he is 100% right.
Posessing large businesses in three countries is definetely not a way of your "fatalist".
But nevertheless he means exactly what I`m trying to explain.

Don`t have illusions about Russia. Spread the correct understading among those nationals who are still haven`t lost the ablitity to think. Leave patriotic "we`ll deal with that just like always" behind.

That`s not the usual crisis.

Originally Posted by Serge_spb

You have got no idea what you`re talking about...

Btw, what about petrol (gasoline...) prices in the USA? I`ve heard they are literally like never been better.
Why don`t you mention that?

He's a naiive kid who doesn't know anything about Russia.

Originally Posted by hddscan

It's Russian mindset. Fatalism prevails, mostly comes from personal experience. Can't blame people who survived so many crises: USSR collapse, Chechen wars, Default of 1998, World crisis of 2008 and now this.

So, your rationalization is that Russians have an inherent defeatist mindset which leads them to follow a leadership who doesn't care about them but sends the country into collapse?

Originally Posted by Eric C.

"Those who don't steal aren't afraid of police patrols. " No matter what, anti-missile systems are very good, and hopefully they spread everywhere in massive numbers. While on the other side of it, humanity has to find a way to get rid of ALL nuclear weapons any country possesses, completely once and for all. Let the dumba**es shout out loud and dick measure (I believe that's what they call "politics"), but without that nuclear stuff.

Putin is not as naive as you might imagine to be lulled and mesmerized by such "soothing" lullabies of the West.))

“Sometimes I wonder, maybe the bear should just sit quietly, munch on berries and honey rather than chasing after piglets, maybe then, they would leave it alone? But no, they wouldn’t, because they will always try to chain it up. And as soon as they chain it up, they will pull out its teeth and claws.”

By teeth and claws, Putin said he meant Russia’s nuclear weapons. The west was circling round to destroy Russia, so it could steal its natural resources, he continued. “Once they’ve taken out his claws and his teeth, then the bear is no longer necessary. He’ll become a stuffed animal.”

Putin: I feel no responsibility for collapse of rouble | World news | The Guardian

Originally Posted by diogen_

Putin is not as naive as you might imagine to be lulled and mesmerized by such "soothing" lullabies of the West.))



Putin: I feel no responsibility for collapse of rouble | World news | The Guardian

LOL

Putin predicts economic recovery but warns West against pressuring Russian ‘bear’ - The Washington Post

Putin, the epitome of honesty, and the most credible politician ever (lol) says the economy will recover in 2 years. You must be really gullible to believe anything he says.

At least, Russians can be rest assured they can be arrested when they complain publicly.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

Putin, the epitome of honesty, and the most credible politician ever (lol) says the economy will recover in 2 years. You must be really gullible to believe anything he says.

The crisis will be mostly over as soon as the oil prices come back to the per-crisis level or even higher. It may happen in one, two or three years or later, who knows, but inevitably it must happen when American fracking industry will be completely washed out of the market due to its huge losses. In the long run, Putin will get a bigger oil market share and win a victory as it always happened in the past. Putin is invincible.

Originally Posted by diogen_

The crisis will be mostly over as soon as the oil prices come back to the per-crisis level or even higher. It may happen in one, two or three years or later, who knows, but inevitably it must happen when American fracking industry will be completely washed out of the market due to its huge losses. In the long run, Putin will get a bigger oil market share and win a victory as it always happened in the past. Putin is invincible.

Okay. Let me know when you awake from fantasy land.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

LOL ...

Тебе б только посмеяться погромче.

Originally Posted by Serge_spb

What I say is based on a clear understanding of reality. Nothing more or less.

Can't argue with that
But it's the same as glass half-empty or half-full.
Some people tend to see the bad stuff first and some try to find the good stuff
Both kinds are right, it's just perception that differs.

Originally Posted by diogen_

Putin: I feel no responsibility for collapse of rouble | World news | The Guardian

That's an effing lie. He has never said "I feel no responsibility for collapse of rouble", this is completely made up. Although I'm not surprised, because it's the Guardian.

Компания IKEA объявила о том, что приостанавливает продажу кухонной мебели и бытовой техники и планирует возобновить ее с 20 декабря. Ранее было объявлено, что сегодня, 18 декабря, должны были вступить в силу новые цены в IKEA. Компания не раскрывает, насколько увеличит цены на свою продукцию



В сообщении компании отмечается, что продажи приостановлены «в связи с большим количеством заказов, находящихся в обработке».

Одновременно с этим компания сообщила о начале пересмотра цен на ряд товаров, в связи с чем указанные на сайте компании цены могут не соответствовать реальной стоимости в магазине.

IKEA не раскрывает, наcколько увеличит цены на свою продукцию.

По данным генерального директора компании «InfoLine-аналитика» Михаила Бурмистрова , крупногабаритная мебель в ассортименте сети составляет 40-50%, техника – незначительную долю. Сейчас, по словам эксперта, ежедневный оборот IKEA составляет 800 млн -1 млрд руб. Это в 2-2,5 раза выше, чем в обычные дни года.

«Решение провести переоценку стоимости продукции и приостановить продажи – совершенно нормальное. Распродажа по ценам, которые не соответствуют сегодняшней ситуации на рынке, поставит IKEA в невыгодное конкурентное положение», – объясняет эксперт. По его мнению, остановка продаж негативно на компании не скажется, после изменения цен мебельная компания окажется в выигрыше.

Ранее было объявлено, что цены в российских торговых центрах IKEA начнут повышаться c 18 декабря 2014 года.

В компании сообщили, что существенное влияние на финансовые показатели ее работы оказали падение курса рубля, рост цен на сырье и тарифов на транспорт.

В пресс-службе компании IKEA рассказывали РБК, что операционная деятельность компании не может не зависеть от внешних факторов, хотя более 60% товаров, которыми торгуют магазины IKEA, производится в России.

Ограничивать заказы на крупную мебель (гардеробы, кухни, спальни – то, что требует дополнительной комплектации и потребитель не может взять со склада самообслуживания) IKEA в Санкт-Петербурге начала еще на прошлой неделе. Как рассказали потребители, побывавшие в «МЕГА Дыбенко» и «МЕГА Парнас», крупногабаритных товаров на складе в магазине не было. «И из другого магазина их привезти тоже нельзя, сообщили нам в магазине, объясняя техническими причинами», – рассказал собеседник РБК.

Как пояснил представитель пресс-службы IKEA, в преддверии новогодних праздников компания традиционно наблюдает существенное увеличение количества посетителей в магазинах. «Это связано как со всеобщей подготовкой к зимним праздникам, так и с изменением цен на наши товары, анонсированным в начале месяца», – говорит пресс-секретарь. В других городах России, по данным компании, ограничений на заказ мебели не было до этого четверга.

Данных о том, насколько вырос трафик, чек и продажи IKEA в последние две недели, компания не раскрывает. По словам представителя компании, менеджмент принял решение о приостановке продаж на часть продукции исходя из эффективности таких действий.

По данным «InfoLine-Аналитики», емкость мебельного рынка России в 2014 году приблизится к 600 млрд. руб., увеличившись в денежном выражении примерно на 15%, преимущественно в связи с девальвацией рубля. Доля импорта на мебельном рынке России (с учетом серого импорта) превышает 55%. Крупнейшими ритейлерами на мебельном рынке являются сети IKEA (80,5 млрд. руб. без НДС в 2013 году), Hoff (6,5 млрд. руб. без НДС в 2013 году) и «Шатура-мебель» (собственные и франчайзинговые магазины, выручка которых более 6 млрд. руб.). Таким образом, доля IKEA на мебельном рынке в 2013 году превысила 16%, а по итогам 2014 года составит примерно 18,5% (выручка вырастет более чем на 20% и превысит 97 млрд. руб.)



IKEA приостановила продажу кухонной мебели и бытовой техники :: Бизнес ::

P.S. Россияне активно скупают товары. Чуют, что на прежней зарплате плазма в новом году не станет шире, а кухня новее.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

He's a naiive kid who doesn't know anything about Russia.

So yeah, I don't know everything about Russia or even the US but I do know a lot about people and a lot about life.

Originally Posted by hddscan

It's Russian mindset. Fatalism prevails, mostly comes from personal experience. Can't blame people who survived so many crises: USSR collapse, Chechen wars, Default of 1998, World crisis of 2008 and now this.

Thanks but that's still too easy. I can say it's the American mindset but I'm not Kerry or Obama and they don't think anything that I think.
And it's the American mindset if one of my friends can't play an online game and rage-quits. But I keep fighting and I win.
I think it;s the same with the Russian mindset. So maybe some Russians can be fatalist but others don't quit and they win. Don't forget, it was Russians that won the Sochi Olympics and it was Russians that won Crimea.
Русские не сдаются.

Originally Posted by Serge_spb

You have got no idea what you`re talking about...

Btw, what about petrol (gasoline...) prices in the USA? I`ve heard they are literally like never been better.
Why don`t you mention that?

I browsed all of the photos I shot since 2010 and I could only find one photo with a gas pump. That was last summer. So I went back today and took another photo. Here's what the prices were. Btw, it was the same pump so it's the same type of gas.

24 Июль 2014 год:



18 Декабрь 2014 год:



So yeah, the difference is $1.12 USD. But if the gas that's used to deliver products got cheaper then why are the products way more expensive?
Btw, most of the stuff we buy here is made in other countries, even the food. It's very rare to ever see anything that was made in the USA. So America has the same issues with too many imports.

Originally Posted by UhOhXplode

^ FTFY

The west demanded that Russian troops withdraw from the border... after the unconstitutional coup of the legally elected, democratic government...

More on-topic:
Prices are rising in the US faster than normal. Especially food. We live in one of the least (if not the least) populated regions in the US where the prices are the lowest in the US.
Apartments that were leased for about $800 / month last year are now leasing for $1,500 / month this year. Fortunately my parents are owners, not tenants, but I do know property owners that lease and their prices.
My new TV that was selling for less than $200 was more than $300 when I got it this year. Food prices surprised everyone. The closest estimate dad could make was a 35% rise since last spring.
And my new hiking boots that were advertised for $94 cost $160 when I got those.

So nobody can tell me that the stupid sanctions aren't affecting the US. They are. Dad said it's normal for prices to increase each year but these increases are not normal.
At the last OPEC meeting, the Saudis claimed they could survive $60 / barrel for about 1 year. They didn't say how long they could survive prices below that - definitely not for a whole year. The oil prices will go back up.
But "The end"? That's laughable.
A better title woulda been "The big temporary dip".
And yeah, I know that dip won't be easy for a lot of people - here and especially in Russia. But it will end.
In the US, the new Sanctions / Lethal Aid bill (that Congress pressured Obama into signing, btw) is totally reprehensible and disgusting but it only gives Obama the power to do those things (it doesn't force him to do it) and he doesn't seem very willing to. Good.
But I'm not an economist so I don't really understand the recent plunge in the ruble - I just hope it gets fixed really soon.
And don't forget, the purpose of the sanctions is "Regime change in Russia". So don't forget what happened the last time "Regime change" happened (1990's).
Anyway, I'm happy to see that Russia is diversifying it's economy. I hope it can find ways to prevent this from happening again.

I hate buck inflation, and you're right - anything that is higher than 4% a year is NOT ok.

As for the ruble - it's just an asset, and its value is dependent on the financial rating of the issuer (i.e. Russia), which is now kinda going down the drain. The fall of the prices of the most (if not only) strategical resource, unreasonable foreign & domestic policies (including the infamous ban on imports), etc. are all creating a pretty shady image for the country, which immediately affects its financial rating. We can wait and see if it's going to start changing to the better at some point, but it's obviously impossible without some global refactoring on the way that country is doing its business.