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    Quote Originally Posted by Serge_spb View Post
    Dignity?

    We broke the law. We became a non-grata country. We used to be a full member of civilized world, now the whole world detests us.
    Law? Laws in geopolitics don't exist anymore. For Russia having pro-american regime in Ukraine means death as an independent country. Everyone in big politics understands that. And still US+EU forced the issue. Putin had 2 options: let his country die slowly but surely or throw it into a war having little chances to succeed. Everyone expected him to choose former. He choosed latter. Everyone hates him now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suobig View Post
    Law? Laws in geopolitics don't exist anymore. For Russia having pro-american regime in Ukraine means death as an independent country. Everyone in big politics understands that. And still US+EU forced the issue. Putin had 2 options: let his country die slowly but surely or throw it into a war having little chances to succeed. Everyone expected him to choose former. He choosed latter. Everyone hates him now.
    Neither of the two points (namely, the Ukrainian rule would be"pro-American", and that a pro-American regime at Russia's borders would threaten its sovereignty) is actually backed up by any evidence, anything but countless statements made by guys who do propaganda for a living. Why oppose yourselves to "evil America" and raise the iron curtain again? You two used to be friends, just recall those times. Stop thinking of everyone out there as your enemies. Maybe some of what's going on in the world would threaten someone's autocracy, but certainly not your whole country. Think about that.

    And anyway, starting a war with another state out of geopolitical reasons is both a very stupid, and dirty and inhuman thing to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric C. View Post
    Neither of the two points (namely, the Ukrainian rule would be"pro-American", and that a pro-American regime at Russia's borders would threaten its sovereignty) is actually backed up by any evidence
    Learned from the best

    Quote Originally Posted by Jen Psaki
    So these are just further evidence of the connection between Russia and the armed militants
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    Quote Originally Posted by hddscan View Post
    Learned from the best
    How are those two even connected? Except maybe the keyword "evidence"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric C. View Post
    How are those two even connected? Except maybe the keyword "evidence"
    The point is there is no evidence needed as long as people believe what they are told, as Jen showed it to the whole world. And right now neither you nor Suobig presented any evidence which leaves the topic to believers I suspect you are in the minority on the subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric C. View Post
    Neither of the two points (namely, the Ukrainian rule would be"pro-American", and that a pro-American regime at Russia's borders would threaten its sovereignty) is actually backed up by any evidence
    No evidence, huh?
    Victoria Nuland was not discussing who she does and who she does not want to see in the Rada?
    NATO was not planning to place anti-missile systems in Poland? And now they have Ukraine - way better place for anti-missile systems. Nice step to break that disturbing nuclear parity.
    Also Sevastopol port has huge strategic importance for russian Navy in the Black Sea. That needs no evidence - it's geography. Does anyone believe that after joining NATO Ukraine would allow russian Navy to stay in Crimea?

    There were times when Russia believed in fairytales about "you have no enemies" and "NATO will never expand to the East". We've learned something from those.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suobig View Post
    NATO was not planning to place anti-missile systems in Poland? And now they have Ukraine - way better place for anti-missile systems. Nice step to break that disturbing nuclear parity.
    "Those who don't steal aren't afraid of police patrols. " No matter what, anti-missile systems are very good, and hopefully they spread everywhere in massive numbers. While on the other side of it, humanity has to find a way to get rid of ALL nuclear weapons any country possesses, completely once and for all. Let the dumba**es shout out loud and dick measure (I believe that's what they call "politics"), but without that nuclear stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric C. View Post
    "Those who don't steal aren't afraid of police patrols. " No matter what, anti-missile systems are very good, and hopefully they spread everywhere in massive numbers. While on the other side of it, humanity has to find a way to get rid of ALL nuclear weapons any country possesses, completely once and for all. Let the dumba**es shout out loud and dick measure (I believe that's what they call "politics"), but without that nuclear stuff.
    Putin is not as naive as you might imagine to be lulled and mesmerized by such "soothing" lullabies of the West.))

    “Sometimes I wonder, maybe the bear should just sit quietly, munch on berries and honey rather than chasing after piglets, maybe then, they would leave it alone? But no, they wouldn’t, because they will always try to chain it up. And as soon as they chain it up, they will pull out its teeth and claws.”

    By teeth and claws, Putin said he meant Russia’s nuclear weapons. The west was circling round to destroy Russia, so it could steal its natural resources, he continued. “Once they’ve taken out his claws and his teeth, then the bear is no longer necessary. He’ll become a stuffed animal.”


    Putin: I feel no responsibility for collapse of rouble | World news | The Guardian

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    Quote Originally Posted by diogen_ View Post
    Putin is not as naive as you might imagine to be lulled and mesmerized by such "soothing" lullabies of the West.))



    Putin: I feel no responsibility for collapse of rouble | World news | The Guardian
    LOL

    Putin predicts economic recovery but warns West against pressuring Russian ‘bear’ - The Washington Post

    Putin, the epitome of honesty, and the most credible politician ever (lol) says the economy will recover in 2 years. You must be really gullible to believe anything he says.

    At least, Russians can be rest assured they can be arrested when they complain publicly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 14Russian View Post

    Putin, the epitome of honesty, and the most credible politician ever (lol) says the economy will recover in 2 years. You must be really gullible to believe anything he says.
    The crisis will be mostly over as soon as the oil prices come back to the per-crisis level or even higher. It may happen in one, two or three years or later, who knows, but inevitably it must happen when American fracking industry will be completely washed out of the market due to its huge losses. In the long run, Putin will get a bigger oil market share and win a victory as it always happened in the past. Putin is invincible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 14Russian View Post
    LOL ...
    Тебе б только посмеяться погромче.

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    That's an effing lie. He has never said "I feel no responsibility for collapse of rouble", this is completely made up. Although I'm not surprised, because it's the Guardian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hddscan View Post
    That's an effing lie. He has never said "I feel no responsibility for collapse of rouble", this is completely made up. Although I'm not surprised, because it's the Guardian.
    Where has he said he takes full responsibility? Or any responsibility? Find me one site, whether Western or Russian or any source.

    He blames the West for part of it and low oil prices but never takes any responsibility at all or talks about his policies. He makes a vague reference in that video regarding 'heads of state' but that's it.

    He also looks like he's going on full nutso mode:
    Vladimir Putin in bizarre rant accusing the West of 'ripping out' Russia's claws - Mirror Online

    http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/18/world/...ech-dougherty/

    Putin blames Western sanctions for economic crisis | Fox News

    Putin speech sparks more ruble volatility.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2q5KBPHxkP4

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    Quote Originally Posted by diogen_ View Post
    Putin is not as naive as you might imagine to be lulled and mesmerized by such "soothing" lullabies of the West.))



    Putin: I feel no responsibility for collapse of rouble | World news | The Guardian
    The question is not how naive Putin is. The question is, how naive his followers among ordinary Russians are, and if there are limits for that naiveness at all.

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