Quote Originally Posted by TronDD
I was refering to rights in my statement you quoted. A group cannot violate anyone else's rights in the same way an individual cannot.
It can and does in every society.

One always has rights. Regardless of whether or not they can, or choose to excercise them.
So long as "one" is alone or the society grants them.

Groups are not seperate entities from individuals. Groups are made up of individuals and groups exist only because individuals have the right to associate with others.
Separate. Groups do consist of individuals, but their existence creates a new many-to-many relationship, which is ignored by the human rights doctrine. I have said that the doctrine works when the many-to-many is uniform and the society is stable, then the weaker one-to-many or even one-to-one relationship is OK.

A criminal is a different situation. When you violate the rights of others (commit a crime) you forfeit some of your rights (freedom, or even your life in the case of capital punishment).
Problem is, you need a society to make sure a criminal shall forfeit his rights. And that creates a right of a society to suspend or revoke a right of an individual.