Thread: Bush attacks Lenin!

Originally Posted by Amaranta

So did Ben Laden just write a book?

Yes, "Cave Decorating for Dummies" is currently #5 on the New York Times' best-seller list. The follow-up project, "How to Meet a Goat in 10 Days" is in the works.

Originally Posted by Бармалей

Originally Posted by Amaranta

So did Ben Laden just write a book?

Yes, "Cave Decorating for Dummies" is currently #5 on the New York Times' best-seller list. The follow-up project, "How to Meet a Goat in 10 Days" is in the works.

That's hilarious!!!!!!

Originally Posted by laxxy

So bringing up Lenin was quite logical, and anyone who doubts it should read a few pages about Cheka.

Yeah, as logical as bringing up about a few hundreds of other names. So why Lenin?
Do Americans still believe that communism is an ultimate evil?

Originally Posted by gRomoZeka

Originally Posted by laxxy

So bringing up Lenin was quite logical, and anyone who doubts it should read a few pages about Cheka.

Yeah, as logical as bringing up about a few hundreds of other names. So why Lenin?
Do Americans still believe that communism is an ultimate evil?

I don't think many people believe there is such a thing as an ultimate evil, there is no upper bound on evilness

But Lenin makes sense as an ideologue who was one of the people who brought about the regime. Stalin would not fit so well here since his writings have not been of any significance.
Perhaps Trotzky would be a better example than even Lenin, but Lenin is better known.
And besides these three, I can't really think of any good examples -- remember that we are looking for people who first constructed their ideologies in relative obscurity well before implementing them and committing major atrocities. If you can come up with "hundreds of names", name them

Originally Posted by laxxy

But Lenin makes sense as an ideologue who was one of the people who brought about the regime. Stalin would not fit so well here since his writings have not been of any significance.
Perhaps Trotzky would be a better example than even Lenin, but Lenin is better known.
And besides these three, I can't really think of any good examples -- remember that we are looking for people who first constructed their ideologies in relative obscurity well before implementing them and committing major atrocities. If you can come up with "hundreds of names", name them

Gengis Khan?
Julius Ceasar?
Mao Tse Tung?
DDT?
Mussolini?
Harek the Viking?

Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie

Originally Posted by laxxy

But Lenin makes sense as an ideologue who was one of the people who brought about the regime. Stalin would not fit so well here since his writings have not been of any significance.
Perhaps Trotzky would be a better example than even Lenin, but Lenin is better known.
And besides these three, I can't really think of any good examples -- remember that we are looking for people who first constructed their ideologies in relative obscurity well before implementing them and committing major atrocities. If you can come up with "hundreds of names", name them

Gengis Khan?
Julius Ceasar?
Mao Tse Tung?
DDT?
Mussolini?
Harek the Viking?

Well, none of them, with a possible exception of DDT, fits that description.

Didn't Mao Tse Tsung write a red book?

Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie

Didn't Mao Tse Tsung write a red book?

This one? I guess that's how Mao got his reputation for liking a the ladies...

Well I did not exactly write a book but i had an article about Buckaroos published in a magazine once.......oh and I had my picture in Cosmopolitan Magazine and Good Housekeeping! And I can tell you for sure that I am a very evil person

Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie

Didn't Mao Tse Tsung write a red book?

He did, but he didn't exactly do it in obscurity, and I don't think anyone had any doubt in his capabilities and intentions at that time.
Now, DDT's article on Buckaroos is certainly another matter, and once he takes over the world we'll all be wondering how could we have missed the early signs.

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Originally Posted by laxxy

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Класс!!! Вот за что я люблю наш русский народ...

Well, I guess I learnt that Lenin was evil after all

Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie

Well, I guess I learnt that Lenin was evil after all

А глаза такие добрые-добрые!

Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie

What's wrong with Lenin?

Whaddya mean what's wrong with Lenin? He founded the friggin' Soviet Union which lead to the death of millions of innocent people, food shortages, gulags, secret police...I could go on and on! Geez is this forum full of nothing but communists?? (I'm not saying you specifically are a commie, kalinka, but I've sure met a lotta people who are...)

Well, it is kind of problematic to blame the founder of a nation for its future misdeeds.

Should we hate Bismarck for uniting Germany in 1871, because that fostered the nationalism that eventual would lead Hitler to power?

Should we hate Mahatma Gandhi for expelling the British from India and therefore create a 70 year hateful enviroment between India and Pakistan, and cause Pakistan to foster terrorists that attack innocent American lives? Not to talk about hiding Bin Laden. It's all Gandhi's fault, you know!

For a moment there, I had this very clear picture in my head: Bush stormed into the Mausoleum, smashed the sarcophagus and beat up the Lenin rag doll in front of frightened tourists yelling "Shock and Awe, sucker!!!".

Originally Posted by adoc

For a moment there, I had this very clear picture in my head: Bush stormed into the Mausoleum, smashed the sarcophagus and beat up the Lenin rag doll in front of frightened tourists yelling "Shock and Awe, sucker!!!".

Rag doll? No. Lenin is so evil that he qualifies as a "possessed ventriloquist dummy," if not a full-fledged "Chucky." This is not a tough choice, people. Select the correct answer:
Which of the following most closely resembles Lenin?


A. Rag doll


B. Evil Dummy


C. Chucky

(The correct answer is: C)

Originally Posted by RusskiSlav

Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie

What's wrong with Lenin?

Whaddya mean what's wrong with Lenin? He founded the friggin' Soviet Union which lead to the death of millions of innocent people,

Oh. May I dare to remind you, what the first thing Lenin did -- ended Russia's participation in WW I (what, probably, saved millions of lives...)

Originally Posted by RusskiSlav

food shortages,

Uhu. And before revolution everything was well with food, yes?
(Do you know, what in good old Russian Empire meat and meat products were unaffordable luxuries for 90% of peasants?)

Originally Posted by RusskiSlav

gulags

"gulags" -- I guess, its popular (and very silly) name for Soviet prison system?
Well, it did exist. And, even in its worst times (1935-1940) it contained 2-2,5 mln of prisoners... roughly the same number, as in prisons of modern USA.
Horrible times it were.

Originally Posted by RusskiSlav

secret police...

Oh yes, Soviet Union had a secret police. BTW, Russian Empire before revolution had one too. As well, as USA, UK, Germany, France, Israel, and lots of other countries. So?

Originally Posted by RusskiSlav

I could go on and on!

Nobody doubts.

Originally Posted by RusskiSlav

Geez is this forum full of nothing but communists?? (I'm not saying you specifically are a commie, kalinka, but I've sure met a lotta people who are...)

Please, give your definition of "communist". Is this any person, who dares to disagree with you, and don't perceive the world in black and white without halftones? (And, if you even seen, how fiercely kalinka attacked Stalin in some discussions, you'll never call him "a commie" )

Originally Posted by Scorpio

Oh yes, Soviet Union had a secret police. BTW, Russian Empire before revolution had one too. As well, as USA, UK, Germany, France, Israel, and lots of other countries. So?

The US has police but not secret police the same way the KGB was. The KGB (in Stalinist times) took you away to the gulag if they thought you were "subversive". And prisons in the US are for REAL prisoners, not innocent people who disagree with the government. If the US put people who hate communism in jail, I wouldn't be sitting here typing this right now

(And, if you even seen, how fiercely kalinka attacked Stalin in some discussions, you'll never call him "a commie" )

My definition is of a commie is not simply anyone who disagrees with me. I said I didn't specifically call kalinka a commie, and I'm sorry I exaggerated...I was just venting some anger there.