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    Bush attacks Lenin!

    I was by chance listening to the radio and I heard this quote from Mr. George Bush:

    "Bin Laden and his terrorist allies have made their intentions as clear as Lenin and Hitler before them. The question is: Will we listen? Will we pay attention to what these evil men say?"

    What's wrong with Lenin? He probably was thinking of Stalin (a very common western notion that Stalin was evil). I have a neutral view on Lenin, does anybody think Lenin is evil???

    This quote was from a speech, so it was obviously scripted and was put there on purpose, not a bush-ism.
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    Well, it's a very common western notion all communists are evil (and btw all people in the USSR were communists).

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    Indeed, it's all over the news http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&q=bush+lenin I think he should elaborate on Lenin
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    Ever hear of the Cheka? That might have something to do with it. Nothing like a few tens of thousands of executions to make a guy feel swell! And that's to say nothing of the slave labor and famine due to incompetent/insensitive policies. So yeah, I'd say that Lenin wasn't exactly a boy scout. And yes, I know: there was a very nasty civil war and there were plenty of atrocities committed by both sides. It doesn't make it right.

    With that being said, this is just something stuck in by a speech-writer. Hitler created the Nazi regime, bin Ladin came up with this Al Qaeda crap, but Stalin inherited his, so it made more artistic sense to throw the founder of the Soviet state in there instead. I think you can really only argue Lenin: slightly less evil than Stalin. Quasi-evil. Semi-evil. The margarine of evil. The Diet Coke of evil--just one calorie, not evil enough. Or something like that.
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    hehe. But Lenin really only had less than 5 years of power. While Stalin had over 30! I seriously doubt how much evil Lenin could commit in that short of time, especially when the bolsheviks weren't in full control of the country yet. I mean Lenin even introduced the NEP which was actually helping the peasants and prevented famine!
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    I think it's very possible it could be a Bushism...not trying to make a political statement or a statement on his intelligence, and I cringe saying this as he is my president, but they are both foreign names that end with "in." He's done worse before, so I don't think it's out of the realm of possibilities that he actually meant Stalin. I mean, he's said Mexico was in the United States before, and he was governor of Texas!!

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    Oops, I was unclear, I meant that a couple years ago, he accidentally said that Mexico was in the United States...

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    I googled for word (most evil people in world's history) and found this:
    http://boards.conservativelife.com/view ... p?t=101065

    Here's my list of the most evil people in history. Did I miss anyone?

    1- Mohammad - father of the satanic moon god cult
    2- Stalin
    3- Hideki Tojo
    4- Hitler
    5-Abraham Lincoln
    6- Howard Metzenbaum/Charles Schumer/Ted Kennedy/Joseph Biden - tie
    7- Kim Il Sung
    8- Mao tse tung
    9- Vladimir Putin
    10- Idi Amin
    11- Nelson Mandela/Desmond Tutu - tie
    12- King Herod
    13- Pol Pot
    14- Saddam Hussein
    15- Ivan the Terrible
    Where is no Lenin here

    Another source:

    [quote]Killers of the 20th Century from Moreorless.au.com - political leaders
    http://www.moreorless.au.com/killers/killers.htm
    Idi Amin
    Ion Antonescu
    Prince Yasuhiko Asaka
    Nicolae Ceausescu
    The Duvaliers
    Francisco Franco
    Adolf Hilter
    Elie Hobeika
    Saddam Hussein
    Kim Il Sung
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    Here's my list of the most evil people in history. Did I miss anyone?

    1- Mohammad - father of the satanic moon god cult
    2- Stalin
    3- Hideki Tojo
    4- Hitler
    5-Abraham Lincoln
    6- Howard Metzenbaum/Charles Schumer/Ted Kennedy/Joseph Biden - tie
    7- Kim Il Sung
    8- Mao tse tung
    9- Vladimir Putin
    10- Idi Amin
    11- Nelson Mandela/Desmond Tutu - tie
    12- King Herod
    13- Pol Pot
    14- Saddam Hussein
    15- Ivan the Terrible
    What a cr@p!

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    I heard the speach and this is the way I took it. As an indictment of ideologies and not a comparison of personalities.

    President Bush said the world had paid a terrible price for ignoring the writings of Hitler and Lenin, and should not do the same with al-Qaeda.
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    [quote=ST]I googled for word (most evil people in world's history) and found this:
    http://boards.conservativelife.com/view ... p?t=101065

    Here's my list of the most evil people in history. Did I miss anyone?

    1- Mohammad - father of the satanic moon god cult
    2- Stalin
    3- Hideki Tojo
    4- Hitler
    5-Abraham Lincoln
    6- Howard Metzenbaum/Charles Schumer/Ted Kennedy/Joseph Biden - tie
    7- Kim Il Sung
    8- Mao tse tung
    9- Vladimir Putin
    10- Idi Amin
    11- Nelson Mandela/Desmond Tutu - tie
    12- King Herod
    13- Pol Pot
    14- Saddam Hussein
    15- Ivan the Terrible
    Where is no Lenin here

    Another source:

    [quote:3hwnliqh]Killers of the 20th Century from Moreorless.au.com - political leaders
    http://www.moreorless.au.com/killers/killers.htm
    Idi Amin
    Ion Antonescu
    Prince Yasuhiko Asaka
    Nicolae Ceausescu
    The Duvaliers
    Francisco Franco
    Adolf Hilter
    Elie Hobeika
    Saddam Hussein
    Kim Il Sung
    King L
    Could you please occasionally correct my stupid errors!
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    Вы все ошибаетесь. Беда наверно в том, что Буш имел в виду "John Lennon".

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    Quote Originally Posted by basurero
    Вы все ошибаетесь. Беда наверно в том, что Буш имел в виду "John Lennon".
    Ну да... Джон Ленин, Ринго Сталин...
    Could you please occasionally correct my stupid errors!
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    Hey guys look at this:
    http://www.moscow2000.ru/news/view2.asp?Id=1834

    Yakovlev was, Gorbachovs' chief adviser, a very key figure and sometimes they called him Ideological Father of the Perestoryka. He recentely died.

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    Re: Bush attacks Lenin!

    Quote Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie
    What's wrong with Lenin? He probably was thinking of Stalin (a very common western notion that Stalin was evil).
    Stalin is the best learner of Lenin.
    Some people think Lenin was good but Stalin distort Lenin's ideas.

    Stalin only the most successively developed Lenin's ideas indeed.

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    So did Ben Laden just write a book?


    Which part of his significant writings produced in relative obscurity did I miss?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guin
    Quote Originally Posted by basurero
    Вы все ошибаетесь. Беда наверно в том, что Буш имел в виду "John Lennon".
    Ну да... Джон Ленин, Ринго Сталин...
    Ага. Как в анекдоте "-Леннон! Леннон!... - Товагищи, я не Леннон, я - Ленин! - Леннон! Леннон!... Ну товагищи, я же Ленин! - Леннон!!! Леннон!!!! - Ну товагищи... ну хогошо... Yesterday, all my troubles seemed so far away..."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guin
    Quote Originally Posted by basurero
    Вы все ошибаетесь. Беда наверно в том, что Буш имел в виду "John Lennon".
    Ну да... Джон Ленин, Ринго Сталин...
    В Москве есть станция метро "Дискотека имени Ленона"

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    Re: Bush attacks Lenin!

    Quote Originally Posted by Wowik
    Quote Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie
    What's wrong with Lenin? He probably was thinking of Stalin (a very common western notion that Stalin was evil).
    Stalin is the best learner of Lenin.
    Some people think Lenin was good but Stalin distort Lenin's ideas.

    Stalin only the most successively developed Lenin's ideas indeed.
    I agree. All those people were worth each other, and Stalin was far from being the worst of the bunch.

    Killing off the rest of the "leninskaya gvardiya" was one of the very few things we can actually praise Stalin for. Interestingly the denunsation of Stalin's atrocities during perestroika started with bringing up 1937-38, which was when those suckers got what they justly deserved.

    So bringing up Lenin was quite logical, and anyone who doubts it should read a few pages about Cheka.

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    Quote Originally Posted by basurero
    Вы все ошибаетесь. Беда наверно в том, что Буш имел в виду "John Lennon".
    Yes, indeed. =)
    There is for what...

    Code:
    As soon as you're born they make you feel small
    By giving you no time instead of it all
    Till the pain is so big you feel nothing at all
    A working class hero is something to be
    A working class hero is something to be
    
    They hurt you at home and they hit you at school
    They hate you if you're clever and they despise a fool
    Till you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules
    A working class hero is something to be
    A working class hero is something to be
    
    When they've tortured and scared you for twenty odd years
    Then they expect you to pick a career
    When you can't really function you're so full of fear
    A working class hero is something to be
    A working class hero is something to be
    
    Keep you doped with religion and sex and T.V.
    And you think you're so clever and classless and free
    But you're still fucking peasants as far as I can see
    A working class hero is something to be
    A working class hero is something to be
    
    There's room at the top they are telling you still
    But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
    If you want to be like the folks on the hill
    A working class hero is something to be
    A working class hero is something to be
    
    If you want to be a hero well just follow me
    If you want to be a hero well just follow me
    
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