Thread: Bush attacks Lenin!

Originally Posted by RusskiSlav

If the US put people who hate communism in jail, I wouldn't be sitting here typing this right now

If Russia put people who hate Georg W. Bush and his imperialistic policy in jail, nobody would be able to type anything neither here nor somewhere else.

Originally Posted by Guin

Originally Posted by RusskiSlav

If the US put people who hate communism in jail, I wouldn't be sitting here typing this right now

If Russia put people who hate US-imperialism and Bush in jail, nobody would be able to type anything neither here nor somewhere else.

Please, we are NOT imperialist. We're not in Afghanistan and Iraq to take over the countries. You, however, (the Soviets) were perhaps more set on gaining land from countries, like Finland in WW2, and not to mention you annexed the Baltic states and brought several other countries into your Soyuza Sovyetsky and they lost their independence.

Originally Posted by RusskiSlav

We're not in Afghanistan and Iraq to take over the countries. You, however, (the Soviets) were perhaps more set on gaining land from countries, like Finland in WW2, and not to mention you brought annexed the Baltic states and brought several other countries into your Soyuza Sovyetsky and they lost their independence.

Aha! First, you are not in Iraq to take over this country, but you are there to take it's resource. I mean oil gas etc. Second, if we talk about history, what would you say about American Indians most part of tham was exterminated? What about racial segregation of 50-th? What would you say about napalm and carpet bombing in Vietnam? What would you finally say about atomic bombings of Japan?

PS. Don't forget about radioactive bombings in Yugoslavia and in Iraq, and torture and sexual abuse in Abu Ghraib prison.

Originally Posted by Guin

Aha! First, you are not in Iraq to take over this country, but you are there to take it's resource. I mean oil gas etc. Second, if we talk about history, what would you say about American Indians most part of tham was exterminated? What would you say about napalm and carpet bombing in Vietnam? What would you finally say about atomic bombings of Japan?

PS. Don't forget about radioactive bombings in Yugoslavia and in Iraq.

No, we are not in Iraq to take over its oil, we're there to get rid of terrorists. And I have no opinion on whether we should've been in Vietnam because I haven't learned a whole lot about it in school and don't have enough info to form an opinion. And the Yugoslavia invasion of Kosovo was carried out by President Clinton, a flaming liberal whom I despise, and I did not support it. Look, no nation's perfect. The US has its faults, and you guys do too.

Originally Posted by RusskiSlav

No, we are not in Iraq to take over its oil, we're there to get rid of terrorists.

The one more fairy tale for kids, in that trust only Americans themsalves.

Originally Posted by RusskiSlav

And I have no opinion on whether we should've been in Vietnam because I haven't learned a whole lot about it in school and don't have enough info to form an opinion.

That is not a big surprise, taking into account the situation with freedom of information and propaganda in USA. You have to read a little bit more.

Originally Posted by RusskiSlav

And the Yugoslavia invasion of Kosovo was carried out by President Clinton, a flaming liberal whom I despise, and I did not support it.

I never said that Clinton was much better than Bush.

Originally Posted by RusskiSlav

Look, no nation's perfect. The US has its faults, and you guys do too.

That's right. And I think the Americans should get it into their heads, until it's not too late. Thay have to consider what is wrong with them

Originally Posted by Guin

The one more fairy tale for kids, in that trust only Americans themsalves.

No, your oil theory is the fairy tale that foreigners and liberals believe. I actually live here, and I know why we're over there. And before you say it's all US propaganda, consider that your oil opinion could just maybe be leftist propaganda too...ooh, radical idea, isn't it?

That is not a big surprise, taking into account the situation with freedom of information and propaganda in USA. You have to read a little bit more.

What? Before you go accusing us of propaganda you oughtta take a look at your own country. Pravda, Izvestiya, Red Star...this was all communist propaganda. And I'll have you know that the only reason I didn't learn anything about Vietnam was because our teacher ran out of time before the year was up to teach in the cirriculum. I read plenty--Solzhenitsyn and Orwell, for example, that's where I get all my anti-communist sentiment. If I didn't do reading outside the classroom I'd probably support communism too, because the schools in this country are run by liberal socialists, who are pretty darn close to communists. Yeah, America better get it through its head before it's too late that we're making the same mistake as the Soviets....

Originally Posted by RusskiSlav

No, your oil theory is the fairy tale that foreigners and liberals believe. I actually live here, and I know why we're over

Ha ha ha. Sorry, RusskiSlav, but it's very naive. I'm sure US president wouldn't even bother to mention Iraq in his speeches if that country resources wasn't such a tasty morse.

There are dozens of regimes the same or worse than Iraq all over the world (especially in Africa and Latin America). Do you hear about them from your government? Don't think so. Do you know why? They have no resources that can be of interest to the USA.

I'll have you know that the only reason I didn't learn anything about Vietnam was because our teacher ran out of time before the year was up to teach in the cirriculum.

OMG. You're high school student (last year, right?) and you never heard details about Vietnam war?
And the only resource for american kids (exept reading, and I'm sure 1 of 10,000 will read voluntarily books on politics) is school lesson (which is obviously is not important enough even for your teacher)?

Tell me about propaganda now...

Originally Posted by RusskiSlav

No, your oil theory is the fairy tale that foreigners and liberals believe. I actually live here, and I know why we're over there.

Where do you live, in Iraq or in Afghanistan? Or you live in White House? Who've said you the truth?

Originally Posted by RusskiSlav

And before you say it's all US propaganda, consider that your oil opinion could just maybe be leftist propaganda too...ooh, radical idea, isn't it?

No doubt, we are all undergo the propaganda. The main difference between us is that I realise this fact, and try to resist it, but you evidently don't.

Originally Posted by RusskiSlav

Before you go accusing us of propaganda you oughtta take a look at your own country. Pravda, Izvestiya, Red Star...this was all communist propaganda.

Ha-ha-ha! Do you know what the year is now? Who reads now these newspapers? They are became rarities a long time ago. You are too late again.

Originally Posted by gRomoZeka

There are dozens of regimes the same or worse than Iraq all over the world (especially in Africa and Latin America). Do you hear about them from your government? Don't think so. Do you know why? They have no resources that can be of interest to the USA.

Actually yes, I have heard of them--genocide in Rwanda and Darfur, and COMMUNISM in Cuba (or, the Caribbean). The reason why we're not dealing with them is because they didn't threaten us, like Iraq did. And no country has the right to change others' politics, according to you, so guess what? We LEFT them ALONE...

OMG. You're high school student (last year, right?) and you never heard details about Vietnam war?
And the only resource for american kids (exept reading, and I'm sure 1 of 10,000 will read voluntarily books on politics) is school lesson (which is obviously is not important enough even for your teacher)?

Tell me about propaganda now...

Yeah, I WILL tell you about propaganda. If my teacher had gotten around to teaching about Vietnam, I guarantee it would've been taught with a liberal bias...with the same opinion Guin seems to hold about Vietnam, that it was all the evil Americans' fault. Why? Because the US (especially the east coast where I live--Maryland) is infested with socialists who run our schools and parts of the government. And socialism is related to communism...

Originally Posted by RusskiSlav

...with the same opinion Guin seems to hold about Vietnam, that it was all the evil Americans' fault. Why? Because the US (especially the east coast where I live--Maryland) is infested with socialists who run our schools and parts of the government.

Not because of that. But because USA invaded other nation-state territory and conducted warfare there which caused death of millions civilians (including women and kids).
And instead of feeling ashamed your government claims that USA had right to do that. That's what I call evil.

Originally Posted by gRomoZeka

Not because of that. But because USA invaded other nation-state territory and conducted warfare there which caused death of millions civilians (including women and kids).
And instead of feeling ashamed your government claims that USA had right to do that. That's what I call evil.

My teachers would have been GLAD to tell us that. They're socialists, remember? They WANT us to think the US is bad. Believe me on this, I know. I've seen them do this in the media, why should they not do it in the schools too?

And speaking of invading countries and killing people, need I again remind you of Finland, Czechoslovakia, and Hungary?

Originally Posted by RusskiSlav

My teachers would have been GLAD to tell us that. They're socialists, remember?

You're kidding, right? Millions of vietnamese vere killed by USA millitary forces. And your teacher emotions don't make this fact to disappear even if they irritate you. I don't understand your argument.

My teachers never told us anything about Vietnam, and I'll find out on my own time from my parents who were actually alive at that time...but they're probably just going to spew "propaganda" And look, you don't seem to want to say killing innocent people in gulags or in Czechoslovakia was evil either...

So you think the US is evil and I think the USSR was evil. Who says the Cold War is over?

Originally Posted by RusskiSlav

But you don't seem to want to say killing innocent people in gulags or in Czechoslovakia was evil...

Yeah, the Czechoslovakia was the big mistake.

But do you know why that one of the most bloodless military invasions of the 20th centuary (according to different observers 12-70 people were killed, most of them in accidents, because soviet soldiers had a strict order not to shoot) was so boosted by western media?

Because it was 1968, the year of the Vietnam war escalation. While all media wailed about evil commies the very same spring on March 16, 1968 american soldiers killed nearly 500 unarmed Vietnamese women, children, and old men in the the My Lai massacre (though some american resources clame there were killed "only" 175-200 people).

You've read Orwell so you know how "rewriting history" works. So now everybody knows about "terrible" invasion to Czechoslovakia but very few know about My Lai.

So you think the US is evil and I think the USSR was evil. Who says the Cold War is over?

It is obviously over because USSR doesn't exist any more. You're living with the past.
There should be invented some new term for what's going now.

Originally Posted by gRomoZeka

You've read Orwell so you know how "rewriting history" works. So now everybody knows about "terrible" invasion to Czechoslovakia but very few know about My Lai.

Well I have to admit I'd never heard of My Lai and yeah it does sound like we did the wrong thing there. We shouldn't have done that. Alright, I have admitted it. Happy?

There should be invented some new term for what's going now.

OK how 'bout the Cold War 2?

Originally Posted by RusskiSlav

Well I have to admit I'd never heard of My Lai and yeah it does sound like we did the wrong thing there. We shouldn't have done that. Alright, I have admitted it. Happy?

Yes.
I'll be even more happy if you could also admit (may be one day) that USSR wasn't more evil than USA. Am I daydreaming here?

Originally Posted by RusskiSlav

There should be invented some new term for what's going now.

OK how 'bout the Cold War 2?

Nice, though not very original.

It's a sequel to Body Bag.
Really?
We don't have a title yet, but what does Joe like? Body Bags Two.
Oh. That's imaginative. I've got more taste in my ****.
(c) True Romance by Tony Scott.

Please don't take offence here. I hope very much you don't feel insulted by that quote. I just like that movie and it poped up in my mind.

Originally Posted by gRomoZeka

Yes.
I'll be even more happy if you could also admit (may be one day) that USSR wasn't more evil than USA. Am I daydreaming here?

Maybe...

Please don't take offence here. I hope very much you don't feel insulted by that quote.

Don't worry, I didn't

And good night from the US, it is late here and I have school tomorrow. Пока.

Originally Posted by RusskiSlav

And good night from the US, it is late here and I have school tomorrow. Пока.

Bye.

I thought it was funny how he compared Osama to Lenin, Hitler, and Stalin.

All 3 of which have NOTHING at all in common.
First off, Lenin wrote before his death that he despised Stalin and that the govt should do everything in its power to stop him from taking control.
But since his letter also critisized other communist party leaders, it was never released because they figured he was "cenile" before his death.

It was published for the first time in the United states in 1925/

Second, Lenin worked literally his whole life and dodged numerous assisination attempts to get rid of the Tsar, and make Russia equal for everybody.

Once Lenin took power, He did what anybody else would have done. He made sure he kept it. If you worked your whole life for something, and finally acheived it, don't tell me that you wouldn't eliminate anyone who tried to get in your way. Lenin never killed anybody himself, and when he took power, no one fired a single shot. But it was in the 2 years that followed when Russia was already in civil war anyways, that he had to defend his govt. from opposition from within the inside.

Stalin was a crazy that distorted Lenin's ideas and killed millions of people. And Hitler has nothing to do with any of them. If you ask me, Bushism is worse than anything that came from the 3 earlyer men. Though Hitler was F*king psycho too.

Lenin got the road started away from serfdom and basically slave labour for 98% of Russia. He supported the Jews, promoted equality for everyone, helped create the only empire in the history of the world that could challenge the United States. I don't know how you can consider him evil, unless you consider self defense evil. Then you're a pacifist and have no room to speak anyways.

Hmm, actually Lenin was more bloodthirsty (at least on words) and rather cynical poltical leader. Though he was far more sane person than paranoiac Stalin and schizophrenic Hitler.