Thread: An alternative view of the USA & some other countries

Originally Posted by it-ogo

They said: "USA is our enemy. They hate us just because we are different, just because we are Russians. They want to destroy our country, split it into pieces. They call our country "Evil empire". All we want is to live in peace but they do not agree. They have military bases and nukes all around the USSR while USSR has no nukes near the USA. We propose mutual disarmament but they build SDI to be completely safe when they will bomb our cities. We have to unite against them to save our country and our lives. Just read what their president say and you will see. He hates us."

Funny that at the time of late USSR all of it was true. Sometimes even propaganda may be true.

So the Soviet submarines with nuclear weapons in the Atlantic and Pacific oceans was propaganda? Until a minute ago I thought Nikita Khrushchev said when referring to the USA "We will bury you", but I looked it up:

We will bury you - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

which says he didn't say it. Most Americans think he said it.

Scott

Originally Posted by fortheether

So the Soviet submarines with nuclear weapons in the Atlantic and Pacific oceans was propaganda?

Those were real. As real as the nuclear silo installations across Western Europe. By the way, the SDI concept was next to useless against those subs.

As far as I remember, the war concepts of that time were based on not allowing the counterpart to launch the strategic (ballistic) missiles. Those were for the retaliation purpose only if one of the sides were to lose the war. The Soviet military concept was based on the principles of:

1. Sending the special forces to each and every nuclear silo to attack the silo personnel just hours before the war starts and thus prevent the launch of the strategic missiles.

2. Disrupt the command and the communication channels of the counterpart so that to prevent the orders to be issued or delivered. That included one-time mass-assassination of the major political figures and their deputies.

3. The sudden one-time shock attack on the air-carriers by means of the nuclear subs destroying the air fleet and getting the overwhelming dominance in the air.

4. The massive ground assault with the tanks which would be almost invincible given the Soviet dominance in the air.

As a result, the entire Europe would be conquered and the US paralyzed. Then the new leaders of the US would have no choice but to acknowledge the expansion of the Soviet Union in the entire Europe given the Soviet Union would leave the rest of the NATO members alone. As a consequence, the major communist revolutions would spark in Africa, Middle East, and Asia. Having NATO forces without decent command and inability to make the hasty vital decisions, those revolutions would most likely succeed. That would leave the Soviet Union expanded over the entire Eurasia and Africa continents. Those would be 'accepted' as the new soviet republics as additions to the already 15 present. The North and South America would be left alone. For how long?

Originally Posted by fortheether

Until a minute ago I thought Nikita Khrushchev said when referring to the USA "We will bury you", but I looked it up:

We will bury you - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

which says he didn't say it. Most Americans think he said it.

In the USSR even a better story circulated: he said it at the UN meeting, yelling and banging his shoe upon the desk to make his point more clear.
I don't know how many people actually believed that, but I did hear several people mentioning it as if it were a fact.

Originally Posted by E-learner

In the USSR even a better story circulated: he said it at the UN meeting, yelling and banging his shoe upon the desk to make his point more clear.
I don't know how many people actually believed that, but I did hear several people mentioning it as if it were a fact.

Originally Posted by fortheether

So the Soviet submarines with nuclear weapons in the Atlantic and Pacific oceans was propaganda?

If you remember, my point was that Reagan's aggressiveness probably prolonged life of USSR a bit more rather than shortened it. What I gave in quotation is not an exact formulations but a brief summary to provide a general idea of the point of Soviet propaganda so you can see that Reagan gave many good confirmations to it. Do you see?

Originally Posted by fortheether

Until a minute ago I thought Nikita Khrushchev said when referring to the USA "We will bury you", but I looked it up:

We will bury you - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

which says he didn't say it. Most Americans think he said it.

Yeah, he could say that. Khrushchev was old stinky pig, hysterical goop, very non-diplomatic. Sill he had one merit: during Caribbean crisis he was one who stopped. He was not ready to destroy the World for his ambitions like beautiful and noble Mr. Kennedy was. So there are words against deeds.