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    цепочка?

    Does this refer to an outdoor chain for a bike or a boat, just a jewellery chain, or both?

    I thought it meant proper sturdy chain, but running it in Yandex Image, I only get pictures of jewellery.

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    цепочка is a dimunitive of цепь, so цепочка is really just a small chain

    Anything that looks like a small chain can be called цепочка.

    In your case it's jewellery, but it can be anything looking like a small chain
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    yeah of course! The -ka ending should have given the game away....
    I was distracted and didn't think of that.

    Allright thanks!

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    By the way, some people say цЕпочка (not цепОчка which is the correct stress).

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    Quote Originally Posted by lodka View Post
    цЕпочка
    Never heard that, actually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dtrq View Post
    Never heard that, actually.
    Ah, interesting. I have.
    I wonder where are you from, geographically (particular part of Russia if in Russia), maybe we can build a map of dialects

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    Siberia.

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    У меня цепочка протеста не вызывает. Мне кажется, цепочку позднее услышала. Я из Киева.
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    I've heard both variants in Vologda region
    With цепочка considered grammatically correct in that region.

    I can guess that Western part of ex-USSR, including Western part of Russia uses both variants.

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    I'm from Omsk. I've never heard anyone here saying цепочка, although I've heard цепочка somewhere before. Most likely I've heard that on TV
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    when we use this word to refer to electric circuits, stress is naturally always цепОчка (basically, it's slang for a simple electric circuit or part of circuit). I am not sure this technical meaning could be of any use to laymen though.

    but if you refer to bikes, boats it's supposed to be a цепь (as a mechanism it is supposed to be hard and reliable), while цепочка is perceived as something fragile (so usually it's something of jewelry type).

    additionally, if a causal relationship is meant, both words цепочка or цепь are used (цепь событий, etc.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanna View Post
    Does this refer to an outdoor chain for a bike or a boat, just a jewellery chain, or both?

    I thought it meant proper sturdy chain, but running it in Yandex Image, I only get pictures of jewellery.
    Как ювелир могу подтвердить, что все мои русские клиенты когда хотят купить один chain изпользуют слово: цепочка
    Чем больше слов, тем меньше они стоят.

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    Кажется, официально ювелирные изделия должны называться цепи:
    Тяжелые серебряные цепи - Каталог | Массивные, байкерские, готические, рокерские

    Похоже на ситуацию, когда везде продают сорочки, а покупают рубашки.
    В какой момент сорочка становится рубашкой -- вот загадка!

    Цепочка слышал, но от деревенских жителей.
    "Невозможно передать смысл иностранной фразы, не разрушив при этом её первоначальную структуру."

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxmixiv View Post
    Кажется, официально ювелирные изделия должны называться цепи:
    Тяжелые серебряные цепи - Каталог | Массивные, байкерские, готические, рокерские
    Я бы и неофициально рокерскую цепь цепочкой не называл.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hddscan View Post
    I've heard both variants in Vologda region
    With цепочка considered grammatically correct in that region.
    Цепочка is grammatically correct in all regions.

    I can guess that Western part of ex-USSR, including Western part of Russia uses both variants.
    No, it is not the question of East and West at all. I think цепочка is used by less educated people, it's one of the reason. Second, it's like saying "красенькие" instead of "красненькие", some special style of language, but not a dialect. It's like "if it's just an uninteresting chain, it's a цепочка, but if it's a oh-so-lovely chain I'm dreaming of / I see on you, then it's a цепочка".
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    Quote Originally Posted by lodka View Post
    Цепочка is grammatically correct in all regions.
    I agree with that but that only be true for "official" Russian.
    I have an example for you.
    Long time it was considered grammatically correct to say that word "кофе" has a masculine gender. But many people were using neutral gender. Finally linguists "approved" both genders to be grammatically correct, so it's a matter of perspective.
    The word "цепочка" comes from Old Slavonic "чепочка" which comes from a word "чеп". This is a very old word and the stress of the word also comes from that time, those times people didn't have official linguists and spoken in different "dialects", so I don't see why it couldn't be a "dialect", theoretically.

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    цЕпочка звучит немного по-воровскому, что-то дворовое...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lodka View Post
    By the way, some people say цЕпочка (not цепОчка which is the correct stress).
    Ничего личного,
    Существовала ли историческая необходимость в данном примере?)) Или имеет ли значение для иноязычных, изучающих русский, то, как говорит дядя имярек, только что отмотавший срок (прости Господи за вульгарщину)...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hddscan View Post
    But many people were using neutral gender. Finally linguists "approved" both genders to be grammatically correct, so it's a matter of perspective.
    Many people сегодня так сдают ЕГЭ, что приходится снижать проходной балл, чтобы они получили аттестаты.
    Кофе is masculine. If you use the neutral gender, it'll indicate your low education, even if you can find this form in some(!) dictionaries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lodka View Post
    Many people сегодня так сдают ЕГЭ, что приходится снижать проходной балл, чтобы они получили аттестаты.
    Кофе is masculine. If you use the neutral gender, it'll indicate your low education, even if you can find this form in some(!) dictionaries.
    Right, especially if relied on ignorance
    С 1 сентября(2009) согласно приказу Министерства образования можно будет употреблять слова совсем не так, как мы привыкли. К примеру, слово “кофе” теперь имеет не только мужской, но и средний род.
    Кофе стал среднего рода - Общество - МК

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