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are the following correct? or do the following verbs have their own unique meanings?
я схожу с верх горы. - i am descending from top of mountain
я съезжаю с верх горы. - i am descending on vehicle from top of mountain
я въезжаю на верх горы. i am ascending on vehicle to top of mountain
It is correct, butQuote:
Originally Posted by tiudavidharris
1)A top of a mountain is "вершина" rather than "верх".
2)Preposition "с" here requires Genitive.
3)Native speaker would say "спускаюсь" instead of "схожу".
thank you!
did i say the following correctly?
я буду лететь в москву на самолёт
я буду ехать в москву на автобус
я буду идти в город пешком
i will fly to moscow on airplane
i will ride to moscow on a bus
i will walk to city on foot.
Я буду лететь в Москву на самолёте. = I will be flying to Moscow by plane.Quote:
Originally Posted by tiudavidharris
Я буду ехать в Москву на автобусе. = I will be riding to Moscow by bus.
Я буду идти в город пешком. = I will be walking to city on foot.
1. Note the prepositional case.
2. All of those sentences accentuate an action in its progress, since you have chosen the imperfective aspect.
They can be used in some specific context, for example:
Когда я буду лететь в Москву на самолёте, я буду читать книгу. = I will be reading a book while flying to Moscow by plane.
Я буду ехать в Москву на автобусе и слушать музыку. = I will be riding to Moscow by bus an listening to music.
Я буду идти в город пешком целый день. = I will be walking to city on foot all day long.
3. If you want just to express a fact, you would need perfective
Я полечу в Москву на самолёте.
Я поеду в Москву на автобусе.
Я пойду в город пешком.
I believe that's what you actually meant.
Thank you again!
It was only part of the story, I think.
Боб Уайтман, could you explain to me, the native, and tiudavidharris at the same time, how do the following sentences differ?
Когда я буду лететь в Москву на самолёте, я буду читать книгу. = I will be reading a book while flying to Moscow by plane.
Я буду летать в Москву на самолёте, когда у меня будет много денег. = ?
Both are imperfective, right? How could be two different imperfective forms in Russian?
Разве это не два разных глагола? Летать - лететь. Ходить - идти.Quote:
Originally Posted by maxmixiv
Вот нашла: http://rus.1september.ru/article.php?ID=199904601
"...глаголам направленного и ненаправленного движения.
У всех этих глаголов: лететь – летать, идти – ходить, ползти – ползать, плыть – плавать и т.д. – в связи с образованием видов и их использованием рождаются такие трудности, что не только ученику, но и учителю от них приходится солоно. Я, говоря прямо, от этих глаголов направленного и ненаправленного движения много вытерпел. Тут и опытный учитель может попасть впросак. Чтобы разобраться, здесь необходимы ступени видового словообразования.
Что творится, например, с глаголом пролетать!
В предложении Каждое утро над нашим городом пролетает самолет глагол пролетать несовершенного вида. С таким небольшим запасом бензина наш самолет пролетает недолго. Здесь глагол пролетать совершенного вида! Что за хамелеон?
Ведь это не двувидовой глагол. Да; это два разных глагола, омонимы.
Одна лесенка: лететь – пролететь – пролетать. Последний глагол занимает вторую ступеньку, он, как и должно быть, несовершенного вида; начало цепочки – лететь; все глаголы в этой цепочке-лесенке обозначают направленное движение.
Другая цепь: летать – пролетать. Приставочный глагол занимает первую ступеньку, вид у него по общему закону совершенный; начало цепочки – летать; все глаголы в этой цепочке обозначают ненаправленное движение. ..."
Ну да, слова-то разные. Мозг, однако, противится тому, что одно по сути действие обозначается разными глаголами.
Вот тут пары типа "лететь - летать" красиво называют: "имеющие двоякие формы несовершенного вида".
глаголы движения
Ну вообще их называют "глаголы направленного и ненаправленного действия", по-английски - unidirectional (лететь) и multidirectional (летать) verbs.Quote:
Originally Posted by maxmixiv
Кстати, совершенные виды от них совершенно с разным значением получаются, ср.: полететь (начало действия) и полетать (ограниченное во времени).
А чаще так бывает: одна и та же приставка, если её к направленному приставить, даёт совершенный вид (прилететь, улететь, залететь), а к ненаправленному - остаётся несовершенным (прилетать, улетать, залетать).
А в древности такие пары были не только у глаголов движения. Следы этого остались в таких словах как "читать" и "читывать".
Значит, всё-таки разные эти глаголы :neutral:
Спасибо, будем знать!
I am confused by the meaning of the words:
вводить
вносить
in my dictionary, it says they mean 'to bring in'.
when do you use вводить?
and when do you use вносить?
вводить usually means "to bring/walk somebody in"
вносить means "to bring something in"
So youre saying that the following is how i use these words?
'я ввожу их в зал.' - i am leading them into the hall
'я вножу сумку в комнату.' - i am bringing in a bag into the room
but i also found in my book that these words mean 'to introduce'
'страна вводит новые реформы.' - the country is introducing new reforms
'россия введет миграционную карту.' - russia will introduce a new migration card
'я вножу предложениею' - i an introducing a proposal
i am confused that they both mean 'to introduce'.
which word do i use to mean 'to introduce' in this context?
do you have better words or more colloquial words to express 'to introduce'?
Yes, вносить/внести - to carry smth. into smth.; вводить/ввести - to lead smb. into smth. Also it can mean to introduce (to add smth. to smth.), to inject and some other meanings. They are different meaning of the same word.Quote:
Originally Posted by tiudavidharris
Many words in all languages have a set of meanings rather than 1 exact meaning.
'я вношу предложение'
Вводить and вносить can both mean "to introduce" but they are not interchangeable. Вносить as "to introduce" means "to bring to someone's consideration", to propose. Вводить as "to introduce" means that introduced object will be put in action as a matter of fact, the decision is already made.
Overall: вести - the object is active; нести - the object is passive.
The following words mean 'to endure' in my dictionary.
выносить/вынести
переносить/перенести
how do they differ in usage?
are there more colloquial words for to endure?
depends on collocation in most cases... выносить usually suggests that something more serious or harder is endured...
but really context and collocation are so important here.
выносить, переносить are good words for 'endure', can't think of anything too colloquial.
Agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doomer
Please notice:Quote:
Originally Posted by tiudavidharris
вводить - ввожу, вводишь, вводит, вводим, вводите, вводят - the stem's final consonant is voiced
вносить - вношу, вносишь, вносит, вносим, вносите, вносят - the stem's final consonant is voiceless
(there was your mistake)
Technically, you can even use "вносить" with the nouns which denote people. But in some special cases :) I will show you the difference:
Я ввожу девушку в зал. - I am leading a girl into the hall (we are walking in together).
Я вношу девушку в зал. - I am bringing in a girl into the room (I am carrying her on my arms, she is not walking on her feet).
I hope you see the difference now.
As to the other meaning "to introduce", I like it-ogo's explanation.
Yes, I think "вынести" involves some stronger suffering than "перенести".
We often use "перенести" when talking about some surgery or desease which happened in someone's life. It does not always mean "enduring". If we say "Он перенёс операцию на сердце" it just means that "He has had a surgery on his heart". It just accentuates his experience, but does not emphasize suffering. The same is: "Он перенёс инфаркт" - "He had infarction (and then recovered)". I would add, that "перенести" more emphasizes a lucky result than suffering itself. The person who "перенёс" something has finally recovered from some undesirable conditions.
"Вынести" also says that the person has survived. By it more emphasizes severe suffering, I would say.
But they are often interchangeable:
"Я не вынесу эту боль" = "Я не перенесу эту боль" - "I cannot endure this pain".
But if we say "Он легко переносит боль" it would mean "He easily endures pain". But "Он легко выносит боль" would sound strange to me. "Легко" and "выносит" just do not come together well.
the word 'подводить/подвести' means to deliver.
does it mean to deliver a person or an object?
how about 'подносить/поднести?
to me this means, to carry an object towards something or someone.
when 'подводить/подвести' means to deliver it's usually something animate (person, or it can be a horse or a cow) that can be made to go and move.
'подносить/поднести' means to carry anything, it can be either an object or a person, e.g. carried in a stretcher)...
It might be interesting that "подводить/подвести" often has a completely different meaning in colloquial speech, which has no relation to motion.
It can mean "to do ill to somebody, either by breaking one’s promise, or by doing something which one was not expected to do". I’d better provide a few examples:
1. I am planning to go to the sea side for my vacation, and you promised to buy tickets for me. I have already packed my things, made some plans, but you forgot to buy tickets. My plans are ruined. Then I would say: "Ты меня подвёл".
2. I have borrowed a book from my friend. You come to my home and see the book, and you ask me: "May I take it for one day to read?". I reply: "That’s not mine. I have to give it back". You insist: "But pleeease!". Then I give up: "Ok, take it, but be careful: do not damage it, since it’s not mine!". Next day you come to my home again and bring the book back. But I see a dirty spot on the book cover, and some pages are ripped… And I have to give it back to my friend in the condition like that. Then I will say: "Ты меня подвёл".
Coming back to the verbs of motion, here is a rule of thumb for you:
- All the verbs derived from the root "вести/водить" are applicable to animate beings (humans or animals) assuming you take some person (or an animal, like a dog, cow, horse etc.) along with you to somewhere. There are plenty of prefixed verbs:
увести/уводить, привести/приводить, отвести/отводить, ввести/вводить, довести/доводить, вывести/выводить, развести/разводить, перевести/переводить etc.
Some of them may have other additional meanings not related to motion (like "перевести/переводить" also meaning "to translate, to interprete"), but we are discussing motion now, aren’t we?
- All the verbs derived from the root "нести/восить" are applicable to both inanimate and animate objects assuming you carry something (or even somebody) in your hands, in a bag, in a box etc. There are also plenty of prefixed verbs:
унести/уносить, принести/приносить, отнести/относить, внести/вносить, донести/доносить, вынести/выносить, разнести/разносить, перенести/переносить etc.
Some of them may also have other additional meanings not related to motion (like "перенести/переносить" also meaning "to endure, to bear something", or even better: "to experience something potentially harmful, and to survive after it successfully"), but again it’s a different question.
are the following correct?
я въезжаю гора - 'im driving up the mountain'
я съезжаю гора - 'im driving down the mountain'
'im driving up the mountain' - я заезжаю на гору
'im driving down the mountain' - я съезжаю с горы
It's a little bit different in Russian
In English you can "drive the mountain" but in Russian you are "driving on the mountain surface"
In line with what it-ogo has said about the words having several meanings, to get suitable colloquial translation, you have to get the word that has the central meaning you want.Quote:
i am confused that they both mean 'to introduce'.
which word do i use to mean 'to introduce' in this context?
do you have better words or more colloquial words to express 'to introduce'?
'To introduce' in English having the meaning 'to become acquainted' would be something like познакомиться.
I think "я въезжаю на гору" is also possible, but "заезжаю" is better.
And "я еду в гору"
In my experience English word "to endure" in most actual situations can not be translated directly as one verb. Mostly one need to rebuild the sentence in translation to reproduce the sense.
which is the correct preposition to use with sailing to a place? 'в' or 'на'?
я плыву в владивосток
я плыву на владивосток
None of them!
I'm kidding a bit :) Technically, the first one is correct. But you should say: "Я плыву во Владивосток".
The rule is: if a word starts with a combination "в + another consonant", the preposition "в" changes to "во" (for easier pronunciation).
"Владивосток" starts with "вл-", so we say "во Владивосток" (direction), "во Владивостоке" (location).
Interesting! Could you provide any examples to illustrate that?Quote:
Originally Posted by it-ogo
im rather confused about the meaning of 'отводить'
i find my my dictionary that it means to take somewhere.
i also see the examples:
Сша отводят России роль партнера.
Демократы отвели полгода на вывод войск.
so does it mean 'to assign' or 'to allot'?
Prefixed verbs of motion often have multiple meanings. They usually have one direct meaning, and many figurative meanings.
The same is true for the English "phrasal verbs" (as to get on, to take off, to give out) - we (Russians) also have many difficulties with them.
Your two examples just illustrate two different usages of the same verb.
And there are others.
That's what my dictionary says:
отводить
отвести (вн.)
1. lead* (d.); take* (d.); (в сторону) take* / draw* aside (d.)
отводить войска назад — withdraw, или draw* off, the troops
отводить воду (из) — drain (d.)
2. (об ударе и т. п.) parry (d.); ward off (d.) (тж. перен.); (перен.) remove (d.)
отводить обвинение — reject an accusation
3. (о кандидате) reject (d.); юр. (о присяжных) challenge (d.)
4. (о земле, помещении) allot (d.); (землю под определённую с.-х. культуру) set* aside (d.)
♢ отводить роль — assign a part
отводить душу — unburden one's heart, pour out one's heart
отвести глаза — look aside
он не мог глаз отвести — he couldn't take his eyes off
отвести глаза кому-л. разг. — distract / divert smb.'s attention, take* smb. in
how do i use the word 'сходиться' meaning 'to assemble'?
and how do i use the word 'расходиться' meaning to disperse?
do you use these words?
how do i use the word 'сходить'?
in my dictionary it says that it means 'get off, come down'
it also says that it means 'to go somewhere and return' when used with perfectives.
do you use 'сходить'?
and if so, how do you use 'сходить'?
do i say these sentences right?
am i using the right preposition for these sentences?
i was descending into the water?
я сплывал в воду
i was descending under water?
я сплывал под водой
Да.Quote:
Originally Posted by tiudavidharris
- Скоро будет концерт Мадонны. Хочешь сходить?
- А не сходить ли нам на концерт?
- С эскалатора удобнее сходить лицом вперёд.
- Загар сходит две недели.
- Не стоит сходить с ума из-за этого.
- Как долго это будет сходить ему с рук?
- Как долго будет сходить снег?
can we use the verb 'подножу' with the preposition 'в'?
and if so, what does it mean?
"я подношу его в '?'."
First of all, where did you get "подножу" from? Are your sure the spelling is correct? Or did you mean "подложу" or anything else?
Right now I can remember phrases like "In enduring grow strong.", "Endure my sword, bastard!", "we must endure to the end" or something like that - I am not sure if they are exact quotes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Боб Уайтман
what can't be cured must be endured.