Thread: What cases are these 2 phrases in?

What cases are these 2 phrases in?
1. ложка с верхом

2. ложка без верха

Originally Posted by tohca

What cases are these 2 phrases in?
1. ложка с верхом
2. ложка без верха

Do you mean what cases "верхом" and "верха" are in?

(c) верхом - instrumental
(без) верха - genitive

Originally Posted by gRomoZeka

Originally Posted by tohca

What cases are these 2 phrases in?
1. ложка с верхом
2. ложка без верха

Do you mean what cases "верхом" and "верха" are in?

(c) верхом - instrumental
(без) верха - genitive

Yup. Thanks.

Originally Posted by tohca

Originally Posted by gRomoZeka

Originally Posted by tohca

What cases are these 2 phrases in?
1. ложка с верхом
2. ложка без верха

Do you mean what cases "верхом" and "верха" are in?

(c) верхом - instrumental
(без) верха - genitive

Yup. Thanks.

This is an easy one to remember:

с + instrumental means 'with'
без is ALWAYS followed by the genitive case, and means 'without'

Originally Posted by TATY

This is an easy one to remember:

с + instrumental means 'with'
без is ALWAYS followed by the genitive case, and means 'without'

Thanks.
What about the case of "с вокзала"? Does it mean when "c" is used to mean from, then it is +gen?

Originally Posted by tohca

What about the case of "с вокзала"? Does it mean when "c" is used to mean from, then it is +gen?

Yes, it means "from (the station)", and it's genitive, the same as in "нет/без вокзала (no/without station)"

Originally Posted by gRomoZeka

Originally Posted by tohca

What about the case of "с вокзала"? Does it mean when "c" is used to mean from, then it is +gen?

Yes, it means "from (the station)", and it's genitive, the same as in "нет/без вокзала (no/without station)"

Спасибо.

С means from (usually) obscure places or places that are "general" or otherwise could take place in a number of settings or harder to I don't know? Describe?

С Войны from war
С Работы from work
С Детства from (since) childhood

War, work, are hard if not impossible to generalize. War and work can take place anywhere, over any number of fields, fronts, nations, buildings etc...

Childhood is pretty much the same, you can't really draw a line bordering where childhood starts or stops.

I'm not sure about other words like С дерева, с вокзала, с балкона because its pretty easy to tell one tree, station, or balcony from another. I guess you have to learn them as you find them.

Originally Posted by Dogboy182

I'm not sure about other words like С дерева, с вокзала, с балкона because its pretty easy to tell one tree, station, or balcony from another. I guess you have to learn them as you find them.

"C/co" can also mean "from the top/surface of something" as opposed to "из" ("from within"):
я упал с дерева
с него слетела шляпа
etc.

я упал с дерева

What if you fell from the middle? or closer to the bottom?

Originally Posted by Dogboy182

я упал с дерева

What if you fell from the middle? or closer to the bottom?

You're kidding, right?

Not entirely...

"from the top/surface of something"
я упал с дерева

What if u fall from the first branch?

Originally Posted by Dogboy182

What if u fall from the first branch?

It's still "c". Did you have any other preposition in mind?

Originally Posted by gRomoZeka

Originally Posted by Dogboy182

What if u fall from the first branch?

It's still "c". Did you have any other preposition in mind?

Nah, just wondering.

В - Из
На - С

Well, just to be a pain in the butt, sometimes the preposition с can be used with accusative in the meaning "approximately"

яблоко с кулак "an apple about the size of your fist"

I have studied Russian since... um.... 1977, and it still throws me curves. Of course, any language you study as a non-native can always surprise you.