Thread: A couple of sentences.

I am having difficulty translating these sentences.
Please help.
Спасибо заранее.

Не за что б ни написала
Их в прощальном ты письме
Not for anything you didn't write them
in a farewell letter.

Пусть и нечаянно стала отчаянней
Let and accidental became desperate

Originally Posted by kwatts59

Пусть и нечаянно стала отчаянней
Let and accidental became desperate

Пусть и нечааааянно стаааала отчаааааааянней нааашаа любооовь?........ :)))))))

I left out a couple of words.
Let me try again.

Пусть и нечаянно стала отчаянней Наша любовь,
Let our love become unexpected and reckless.

What does the "и" mean?

Originally Posted by kwatts59

I left out a couple of words.
Let me try again.

Пусть и нечаянно стала отчаянней Наша любовь,
Let our love become unexpected and reckless.

What does the "и" mean?

Even if our love has accidentally become desperate

Нечаянно is an ADVERB
отчаянней is the instrumental, since it is governed by стать.


Пусть сan't be "let" here since стала is past tense.

Like in English you can't say "Let him done his homework", it's "Let him do his homework".

Пусть + present/future = Let....
Пусть also means "Even if"

И = emphatic particle.

Even if our love has accidentally become desperate

Нечаянно is an ADVERB
отчаянней is the instrumental, since it is governed by стать.

Отчаянный is an ADJECTIVE
отчаянней (отчаяннее) is the comparative degree of отчаянный ->
has become more desperate
the rest of translation is correct

Originally Posted by kwatts59

Не за что б ни написала
Их в прощальном ты письме
Not for anything you didn't write them
in a farewell letter.

Те слова, что ты сказала,
Словно камни бросив мне,
Ни за что б не написала
И в прощальном ты письме.

The words you said,
that you threw to me like stones,
[you] would never write
Even in a farewell letter

Спасибо большое всем.

Originally Posted by Красота-то какая

Originally Posted by kwatts59

Не за что б ни написала
Их в прощальном ты письме
Not for anything you didn't write them
in a farewell letter.

Те слова, что ты сказала,
Словно камни бросив мне,
Ни за что б не написала
И в прощальном ты письме.

The words you said,
that you threw to me like stones,
[you] would never write
Even in a farewell letter

I knew I recognised it form somewhere.

"Ты должна рядом быть" Димы Билана

Originally Posted by TATY

I knew I recognised it form somewhere.

"Ты должна рядом быть" Димы Билана

LOL! Kwatts, did our new forum member turn you into a Dima fan?

Originally Posted by Красота-то какая

Originally Posted by kwatts59

Не за что б ни написала
Их в прощальном ты письме
Not for anything you didn't write them
in a farewell letter.

Те слова, что ты сказала,
Словно камни бросив мне,
Ни за что б не написала
И в прощальном ты письме.

The words you said,
that you threw to me like stones,
[you] would never have written
Even in a farewell letter

Originally Posted by Ramil

The words you said,
that you threw to me like stones,
[you] would never have written
Even in a farewell letter

Are you absolutely sure? As far as I know (and I know very much btw) the Russian structure like "я никогда бы не сделал чего-либо" "он ни за что не пошёл бы туда" can be rendered into "I would never do smth" "he would never go there" as well as "I would never have done smth" "he would never have gone there", because it's not clear from the Russian sentence whether it refers to the past or has a general meaning.

We cannot elicit what the case is from the Dima Bilan song.

Even inane Dima Bilan's songs can be useful: they help to study Russian. But don't listen to his songs too much or you could catch "димабиланизм".

Originally Posted by Красота-то какая

Originally Posted by Ramil

The words you said,
that you threw to me like stones,
[you] would never have written
Even in a farewell letter

Are you absolutely sure? As far as I know (and I know very much btw) the Russian structure like "я никогда бы не сделал чего-либо" "он ни за что не пошёл бы туда" can be rendered into "I would never do smth" "he would never go there" as well as "I would never have done smth" "he would never have gone there", because it's not clear from the Russian sentence whether it refers to the past or has a general meaning.

We cannot elicit what the case is from the Dima Bilan song.

I miss-translated that part because I knew the phrase
Ни за что на свете = Not for anything in the world

Thus I concluded that "Не за что б ни написала" = "Not for anything (you) didn't write"

Now that I thnk about it, I am not sure about "You would never have written" because that means that she ALREADY WROTE the letter.

Originally Posted by kwatts59

I miss-translated that part because I knew the phrase
Ни за что на свете = Not for anything in the world

Thus I concluded that "Не за что б ни написала" = "Not for anything (you) didn't write"

Now that I thnk about it, I am not sure about "You would never have written" because that means that she ALREADY WROTE the letter.

"Not for anything (you) didn't write" makes no sense in English, does it?
"Ни за что не написала" doesn't make sense either.
When translating, you ignored "б" (=бы) which is quite the same as "would". After бы the past tense is usually used, no matter if you refer to the past, present or future.

Я бы станцевал,

I would like to dance (Они играют чудесно! - they are playing wonderful music)
I would have danced (Но туфли жали - but the shoes pinched my feet)

Originally Posted by Красота-то какая

"Not for anything (you) didn't write" makes no sense in English, does it?

I know, that is why I asked for help.

"Красота-то какая"

Originally Posted by Ramil

The words you said,
that you threw to me like stones,
[you] would never have written
Even in a farewell letter

Are you absolutely sure? As far as I know (and I know very much btw) the Russian structure like "я никогда бы не сделал чего-либо" "он ни за что не пошёл бы туда" can be rendered into "I would never do smth"

бы = сослагательное наклонение
написала = прошедшее время, действие завершено. эквивалентно perfet tense.

I was taught that in English when you use consjunctive mood you should use have written.

"he would never go there" as well as "I would never have done smth" "he would never have gone there", because it's not clear from the Russian sentence whether it refers to the past or has a general meaning.

Well, you have the context:
The words you have said
that you have thrown to me like stones
...
it's because she had already said those words by the time the author told us about it. So its perfect tense.

We cannot elicit what the case is from the Dima Bilan song.

We too.

The words you said,
that you threw to me like stones,
[you] would never have written
Even in a farewell letter

Ok, I understand now.

You would never have written the words that you have said, even in a farewell letter.

Ты должна рядом быть

Here's what I could figure out.
I am not quite sure about "вдвойне".

Димы Билан

Ты должна рядом быть
You should be near

Те слова, что ты сказала
Словно камни, бросив мне
Ни за что б не написала
И в прощальном ты письме
Зачем словами больно бьешь
И так ты уйдешь
Ты свободна вполне
И не надо вдвойне,
мне хватит и взгляда

Those words that you have said
Are like stones thrown at me
You would never have written them
Even in a farewell letter
Why do you painfully beat the words
And so you will leave
You are completely free
and there is no need to look back twice
just one glance will do


Refrain
Ты должна рядом быть
Ты должна все простить
Выбрала ты пустые мечты
Пусть и нечаянно стала отчаянней
Наша любовь, в жизни не все так просто

Refrain
You should be near
You should forgive all
You have chosen empty dreams
Even if our love unintentionally became desperate
in life everything is not so simple


Я люблю или ревную
Но спасая и губя
Ад мы сделали вручную
Только сами для себя
Я в ледяном горю огне
Болью холод это мне
А ты свободна вполне
Пойми не надо вдвойне
Мне хватит и взгляда

I love or I am jealous
But saving and destroying
We have made hell by hand
Only for yourself
I burn a fire in ice
This I suffer in coldness
And you are completely free
Understand there is no need to look back twice
just one glance will do

PS. Thanks lampada for the link

Originally Posted by kwatts59

Here's what I could figure out.
I am not quite sure about "вдвойне".

Димы Билан

Ты должна рядом быть
You should be near

Те слова, что ты сказала
Словно камни, бросив мне
Ни за что б не написала
И в прощальном ты письме
Зачем словами больно бьешь
И так ты уйдешь
Ты свободна вполне
И не надо вдвойне,
мне хватит и взгляда

Those words that you have said
Are like stones thrown at me
You would never have written them
Even in a farewell letter
Why do you painfully beat [me] with the words
And so you will leave
You are completely free
and there is no need to look back twice
just one glance will do


Refrain
Ты должна рядом быть
Ты должна все простить
Выбрала ты пустые мечты
Пусть и нечаянно стала отчаянней
Наша любовь, в жизни не все так просто

Refrain
You should be near
You should forgive all
You have chosen empty dreams
Even if our love unintentionally became desperate
in life everything is not so simple


Я люблю или ревную
Но спасая и губя
Ад мы сделали вручную
Только сами для себя
Я в ледяном горю огне
Болью холод это мне
А ты свободна вполне
Пойми не надо вдвойне (twice what? - is not related to anything)
Мне хватит и взгляда

I love or I am jealous
But saving and destroying
We have made hell by hand
Only for ourselves (because of "We")
I burn in an icy fire
with [pain of coldness] - I'm not sure what Dima has wanted to say by that because "это мне" is not related to anything too.
This I suffer in coldness - Maybe it's the best translation though inaccurate.
And you are completely free
Understand there is no need to look back twice
just one glance will do

PS. Thanks lampada for the link [/quote]

I wouldn't use Dima's lyrics for studying russian. It appears that he's very free with it. He puts in some words just for rhyme ignoring their meaning.