Thread: Уровень жизни в России по сравнению с разными странами

В США доходы в 120 тыс. долларов в год считаются "низкой планкой среднего класса". Его верхняя граница 250-300 тыс. в год.

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Originally Posted by Vincent Tailors

http://ford.flybb.ru/topic43.html

Здесь убедительно грят, что всем будет большой абзац, а Россия всех поимеет

Ссылка с того же форума:
http://www.exile.ru/2006-September-2...ure_story.html

Кстати, может кто-нибудь что-нибудь сказать про автора этой статьи?

Originally Posted by Vincent Tailors

В США доходы в 120 тыс. долларов в год считаются "низкой планкой среднего класса". Его верхняя граница 250-300 тыс. в год.

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Был не прав. Обздался. Приношу извинения.
Порылся - нашел интересную ссылку читайте, не жалко:

http://www.answers.google.com/answer...view?id=189785

Originally Posted by Ramil

В США доходы в 120 тыс. долларов в год считаются "низкой планкой среднего класса". Его верхняя граница 250-300 тыс. в год.

Ok. Show me the job list with $120K year payment. I guess you mean $120k income for average family befor tax. Guys from the US or another "western" countries, tell us the truth, what is a range of the average salary in a year??? I guess Ramil is too optimistic....

EDIT: Oops. Ramil, I've read your link:
36 % of those earning $15,000 a year call themselves middle class.
49 % of those with incomes between $ 35,000 and $ 49,999 call
themselves middle class
71 % of those with incomes above $ 75,000 call themselves middle class
(National Center for Opinion Research, 2000)"

EDIT: BTW, I didnt find are those incomes BEFORE or AFTER taxes?
My family income is about $11000-$12000 a year AFTER taxes, am I a middle class man in american conseption?

Originally Posted by JJ

Originally Posted by Ramil

В США доходы в 120 тыс. долларов в год считаются "низкой планкой среднего класса". Его верхняя граница 250-300 тыс. в год.

Ok. Show me the job list with $120K year payment. I guess you mean $120k income for average family befor tax. Guys from the US or another "western" countries, tell us the truth, what is a range of the average salary in a year??? I guess Ramil is too optimistic....

Как я уже сказал - планочка пониже будет. НО!
Есть нюанс. В ссылке, приведённой в предыдущем моем посте приводится статистика по населению в целом (включая сельские районы). Если делать выборку только по городскому населению (где, собственно и обитает этот "средний класс"), при этом учитывать, что многие имеют собственный бизнес (а не сидят на зарплате), приплюсовать к этому доходы с частных инвестиций, и естественное желание сокрыть от государства свои доходы, то средний показатель доходов на душу населения будет несколько выше, хотя по-прежнему не дотягивать до 300-400 тыс. в год, как я сказал ранее.

Кроме этого, не надо забывать, что население США (как и любой другой развитой страны) получает "условные" доходы в виде социального обеспечения, чего не получают жители нашей страны.

Originally Posted by Ramil

то средний показатель доходов на душу населения будет несколько выше, хотя по-прежнему не дотягивать до 300-400 тыс. в год, как я сказал ранее.

Look here: http://www.bls.gov/cew/state2002.txt
The level of average wages is MUCH lower.

Originally Posted by JJ

Originally Posted by Ramil

то средний показатель доходов на душу населения будет несколько выше, хотя по-прежнему не дотягивать до 300-400 тыс. в год, как я сказал ранее.

Look here: http://www.bls.gov/cew/state2002.txt
The level of average wages is MUCH lower.

Ты привёл зарплаты рабочего класса , который средним назвать нельзя никак

$80,000 to $120,000 a year?? It in not an average income in the USA. During the 1947-2004 period, an average family income increased from $21,771 in 1947, to $55,647 in 2000. Interestingly, it has declined since 2000, down to $54,061 in 2004. It never was even $80,000.
http://www.epi.org/datazone/06/median_income.pdf

PS. This is national average income (gross). It varies from state to state, that is, some states (usually, in the South) have an average income below that value, and some - above it.

Originally Posted by charlestonian

$80,000 to $120,000 a year?? It in not an average income in the USA. During the 1947-2004 period, an average family income increased from $21,771 in 1947, to $55,647 in 2000. Interestingly, it has declined since 2000, down to $54,061 in 2004. It never was even $80,000.
http://www.epi.org/datazone/06/median_income.pdf

I was sure for some reason that it was much higher. After I've looked through actual information I was really surprized. I wonder, where did those figures came from.

I thought you guys were richer than you actually are

I wonder also how do such things stand on in Europe, does anybody know, by the way?

Originally Posted by Ramil

Originally Posted by charlestonian

$80,000 to $120,000 a year?? It in not an average income in the USA. During the 1947-2004 period, an average family income increased from $21,771 in 1947, to $55,647 in 2000. Interestingly, it has declined since 2000, down to $54,061 in 2004. It never was even $80,000.
http://www.epi.org/datazone/06/median_income.pdf

I was sure for some reason that it was much higher. After I've looked through actual information I was really surprized. I wonder, where did those figures came from.

I thought you guys were richer than you actually are

I wonder also how do such things stand on in Europe, does anybody know, by the way?

Yep. I have to stand at the corner with "Work for food "sign

Originally Posted by charlestonian

Yep. I have to stand at the corner with "Work for food "sign

That's entirely because all Americans are either lawers or pizza-guys. (Please, don't be offended it's just a joke I heard from one New-Yorker)

Much depends on where a person lives. Location is a significant factor when determining lifestyle.

In New York, Washington, DC, Los Angeles, San Francisco... $30,000 is insufficient, close to poverty, except way out in the suburbs or country.

But I'm temporarily living in Topeka, Kansas, finishing advanced studies, and $30,000 is a good salary here. Middle to upper-middle class lifestyle.

Some places in the U.S. you can live like a king for $30,000. Other places, you couldn't afford a small apartment with that salary.

Madrid is a very expensive place to live, as is Barcelona. I was on a good salary, great times, and I love Madrid and Spain, but I was unable to save much money. I think this is common thru-out the EU.

Originally Posted by Ramil

That's entirely because all Americans are either lawers or pizza-guys. (Please, don't be offended it's just a joke I heard from one New-Yorker)

Hey, I take offense at that!

Originally Posted by Ramil

I wonder also how do such things stand on in Europe, does anybody know, by the way?

Google:

Germany, 2002, seems to be the latest official data:

Average family income in EURO and AFTER TAX, grouped by job branches:

Freelancer: 51k
Civil servant: 24k
Employee: 24k
Worker: 17k
Pensioner: 16k
Unemployed: 12k
Welfare: 9k

If you get less than 938 EURO monthly, you are officially 'poor' in Germany (Data from 2003). In the EU, the 'poverty limit' (literally from German, don't know how it is called in English, it's NOT the 'minimum wage') are 60% of the average income.

Originally Posted by Ramil

Originally Posted by charlestonian

Yep. I have to stand at the corner with "Work for food "sign

That's entirely because all Americans are either lawyers or pizza-guys. (Please, don't be offended it's just a joke I heard from one New-Yorker)

Hey, at least pizza-guys can have some food They don't have to go to a soup kitchen

Three-Year-Average Median Household Income by State: 2002-2004:
The highest: New Hampshire -$57,352
The lowest: West Wirginia -$32,589
http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/income/i ... temhi.html

Originally Posted by kt_81

Freelancer: 51k
Civil servant: 24k
Employee: 24k
Worker: 17k
Pensioner: 16k
Unemployed: 12k
Welfare: 9k

А как это сравнивается с зарплатами тех же самых должностей в России?

Originally Posted by basurero

Originally Posted by kt_81

Freelancer: 51k
Civil servant: 24k
Employee: 24k
Worker: 17k
Pensioner: 16k
Unemployed: 12k
Welfare: 9k

А как это сравнивается с зарплатами тех же самых должностей в России?

Probably the same but in roubles

You guys, are you talking about income BEFORE taxes or AFTER taxes??? In Russia we mostly say about income AFTER taxes. 24k after 30% tax becomes 16k - it is quite possible amount of money in Russia.

Originally Posted by JJ

You guys, are you talking about income BEFORE taxes or AFTER taxes??? In Russia we mostly say about income AFTER taxes. 24k after 30% tax becomes 16k - it is quite possible amount of money in Russia.

In America, it is gross income, before taxes.