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В США доходы в 120 тыс. долларов в год считаются "низкой планкой среднего класса". Его верхняя граница 250-300 тыс. в год.
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Источник, пожалуйста :oQuote:
В США доходы в 120 тыс. долларов в год считаются "низкой планкой среднего класса". Его верхняя граница 250-300 тыс. в год.
Ссылка с того же форума:Quote:
Originally Posted by Vincent Tailors
http://www.exile.ru/2006-September-2...ure_story.html
Кстати, может кто-нибудь что-нибудь сказать про автора этой статьи?
Был не прав. Обздался. Приношу извинения.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vincent Tailors
Порылся - нашел интересную ссылку читайте, не жалко:
http://www.answers.google.com/answer...view?id=189785
Ok. Show me the job list with $120K year payment. I guess you mean $120k income for average family befor tax. :) Guys from the US or another "western" countries, tell us the truth, what is a range of the average salary in a year??? I guess Ramil is too optimistic....Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramil
EDIT: Oops. Ramil, I've read your link:
36 % of those earning $15,000 a year call themselves middle class.
49 % of those with incomes between $ 35,000 and $ 49,999 call
themselves middle class
71 % of those with incomes above $ 75,000 call themselves middle class
(National Center for Opinion Research, 2000)"
EDIT: BTW, I didnt find are those incomes BEFORE or AFTER taxes?
My family income is about $11000-$12000 a year AFTER taxes, am I a middle class man in american conseption?
Как я уже сказал - планочка пониже будет. НО!Quote:
Originally Posted by JJ
Есть нюанс. В ссылке, приведённой в предыдущем моем посте приводится статистика по населению в целом (включая сельские районы). Если делать выборку только по городскому населению (где, собственно и обитает этот "средний класс"), при этом учитывать, что многие имеют собственный бизнес (а не сидят на зарплате), приплюсовать к этому доходы с частных инвестиций, и естественное желание сокрыть от государства свои доходы, то средний показатель доходов на душу населения будет несколько выше, хотя по-прежнему не дотягивать до 300-400 тыс. в год, как я сказал ранее.
Кроме этого, не надо забывать, что население США (как и любой другой развитой страны) получает "условные" доходы в виде социального обеспечения, чего не получают жители нашей страны.
Look here: http://www.bls.gov/cew/state2002.txtQuote:
Originally Posted by Ramil
The level of average wages is MUCH lower.
Ты привёл зарплаты рабочего класса :), который средним назвать нельзя никак :)Quote:
Originally Posted by JJ
$80,000 to $120,000 a year?? It in not an average income in the USA. During the 1947-2004 period, an average family income increased from $21,771 in 1947, to $55,647 in 2000. Interestingly, it has declined since 2000, down to $54,061 in 2004. It never was even $80,000.
http://www.epi.org/datazone/06/median_income.pdf
PS. This is national average income (gross). It varies from state to state, that is, some states (usually, in the South) have an average income below that value, and some - above it.
I was sure for some reason that it was much higher. After I've looked through actual information I was really surprized. I wonder, where did those figures came from. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by charlestonian
I thought you guys were richer than you actually are :)
I wonder also how do such things stand on in Europe, does anybody know, by the way?
Yep. I have to stand at the corner with "Work for food "sign :cry:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramil
That's entirely because all Americans are either lawers or pizza-guys. (Please, don't be offended it's just a joke I heard from one New-Yorker) :)Quote:
Originally Posted by charlestonian
Much depends on where a person lives. Location is a significant factor when determining lifestyle.
In New York, Washington, DC, Los Angeles, San Francisco... $30,000 is insufficient, close to poverty, except way out in the suburbs or country.
But I'm temporarily living in Topeka, Kansas, finishing advanced studies, and $30,000 is a good salary here. Middle to upper-middle class lifestyle.
Some places in the U.S. you can live like a king for $30,000. Other places, you couldn't afford a small apartment with that salary.
Madrid is a very expensive place to live, as is Barcelona. I was on a good salary, great times, and I love Madrid and Spain, but I was unable to save much money. I think this is common thru-out the EU.
Hey, I take offense at that! :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramil
Google:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramil
Germany, 2002, seems to be the latest official data:
Average family income in EURO and AFTER TAX, grouped by job branches:
Freelancer: 51k
Civil servant: 24k
Employee: 24k
Worker: 17k
Pensioner: 16k
Unemployed: 12k
Welfare: 9k
If you get less than 938 EURO monthly, you are officially 'poor' in Germany (Data from 2003). In the EU, the 'poverty limit' (literally from German, don't know how it is called in English, it's NOT the 'minimum wage') are 60% of the average income.
Hey, at least pizza-guys can have some food :wink: They don't have to go to a soup kitchen :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramil
Three-Year-Average Median Household Income by State: 2002-2004:
The highest: New Hampshire -$57,352
The lowest: West Wirginia -$32,589
http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/income/i ... temhi.html
А как это сравнивается с зарплатами тех же самых должностей в России?Quote:
Originally Posted by kt_81
Probably the same but in roublesQuote:
Originally Posted by basurero
You guys, are you talking about income BEFORE taxes or AFTER taxes??? In Russia we mostly say about income AFTER taxes. 24k after 30% tax becomes 16k - it is quite possible amount of money in Russia.
In America, it is gross income, before taxes.Quote:
Originally Posted by JJ