Thread: What is your ancestory?

Originally Posted by adoc

Originally Posted by a true arab

I am PURELY ARAB .

We are so sensitive regarding our bloods so we like to have pure bloods but this does not mean that we are racists.

I dunno if anyone has taken the trouble to explain it to you yet, but this attitude in fact constitutes the essence of racism.

I do not think he will even understand that.

I know he will.


P.S. My gut feelings.

Originally Posted by a true arab

Vlacko :

He gets decapitated in a center of a village.

May be this is the way, you are doing.

I believe I have answered clearly.

I believe you have answered with your usual deception.

It well know that muslim girls have a hard time marrying out of their religion, that is if you think that , say , risking death is a hard time.
Quit trying to impress us with your religion and heritage as it is nothing to be proud of.
Muslim girls who marry some one other than a muslim or convert to another religion are treated as criminals. Some are kidnapped, beaten and/or killed by their own brothers and fathers.

This is what happens to people who try to change their religion, in Egypt.
http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/14689.htm
http://www.mcjonline.com/news/03a/20031205d.shtml

"Two days after their detention, the two were transferred to a Cairo police station, where they were beaten, hung by their arms, and bloated with painful amounts of air blown into their bodies. They were denied any food while detained under intense interrogation in central Cairo’s El-Mosky police station, where they were logged under administrative case No. 3793 for 2003." http://www.compassdirect.org/en/breakin ... lement=119

"In 1996, the marriage of a Kuwaiti convert from Islam to Christianity was forcibly dissolved and his children taken from him before he underwent a much-publicized trial for apostasy". Gee, I wonder what happens to their family lineage!! http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/christian ... lamic.html http://www.barnabasfund.org/Apostasy/Persecuted.htm

Pakistan
"Discrimination takes many forms, some seemingly minor. In some areas, restaurant owners ask their patrons’ for their religion before serving them. One restaurant in Hafizabad (Gujranwala district) has separate utensils and wash-basins for Muslims and non-Muslims.
Upon conversion to Islam, the marriages of Christian men remain legal; however, upon conversion to Islam, the marriages of Christian women, or of other non-Muslims that were performed under the rites of the previous religion, are considered dissolved. Children born to Christian women who convert to Islam after marriage are considered illegitimate if their husbands do not also convert or if they do not separate from their husbands. Children of non-Muslim men who convert are not considered illegitimate."
http://www.asianews.it/view".php?l=en&art=2092

This makes two crappy soapbox threads.

Why would Christians and Muslims want to marry each other anyway ? I'd be happy to split the Western world 50/50 with the Muslims. Good fences make good neighbors.

Provisions could be made for the protection of religious enclaves (Copts, Sudanese Christians, Abkhazians, Albanian Muslims et al.) and incentives could be provided for their voluntary migration. It beats turning them into drug runners and/or killing them, as we've been doing. If Western Europeans need heroin, they can grow it themselves.

Of course I've described Utopia.

Originally Posted by Jeff

This makes two cra@@y soapbox threads.

Why would Christians and Muslims want to marry each other anyway ? I'd be happy to split the Western world 50/50 with the Muslims. Good fences make good neighbors.

Provisions could be made for the protection of religious enclaves (Copts, Sudanese Christians, Abkhazians, Albanian Muslims et al.) and incentives could be provided for their voluntary migration. It beats turning them into drug runners and/or killing them, as we've been doing. If Western Europeans need heroin, they can grow it themselves.

Of course I've described Utopia.

...haha...if they need heroin, they can grow it themselves.
Haha. Do you have a blog I can read?

Originally Posted by TriggerHappyJack

...haha...if they need heroin, they can grow it themselves.
Haha. Do you have a blog I can read?

Why does everybody keep asking me that ? *scratching head*
If I had a message to share with the world I'd do what any other sensible person would do: I'd have it tattooed on me, then I'd streak at the Super Bowl.

Of course I meant that Western Europeans can (and should) grow poppies themselves. (My secretary is out of town. )

Originally Posted by Jeff

If I had a message to share with the world I'd do what any other sensible person would do: I'd have it tattooed on me, then I'd streak at the Super Bowl.

I did that once. Trust me, you don't want to open that can of worms! Imagine trying to get a loan after being known as the "Give a hooter, don't pollute 'er" guy!
-Fantom

ps- it's 3:30am, and I just got home from seeing Coldplay, and I am drunk, in case anyone needs an explanation for any posts I make tonight.

Originally Posted by adoc

Originally Posted by a true arab

I am PURELY ARAB .

We are so sensitive regarding our bloods so we like to have pure bloods but this does not mean that we are racists.

I dunno if anyone has taken the trouble to explain it to you yet, but this attitude in fact constitutes the essence of racism.

To be proud of being PURELY ARAB is not a racism at all I believe every one is free to be proud of his own nation. I did not abuse any one.
I think your answer is constituting your hidden racism.

[quote=Mea Culpa]

Originally Posted by adoc

Originally Posted by "a true arab":102ktidm

I am PURELY ARAB .

We are so sensitive regarding our bloods so we like to have pure bloods but this does not mean that we are racists.

I dunno if anyone has taken the trouble to explain it to you yet, but this attitude in fact constitutes the essence of racism.

I do not think he will even understand that. [/quote:102ktidm]

What you think is your own problem. Regarding my understanding, it is my own issue. Please, stop these ridiculous remarks. It is enough racism.

Originally Posted by DDT

Originally Posted by a true arab

Vlacko :

He gets decapitated in a center of a village.

May be this is the way, you are doing.

I believe I have answered clearly.

I believe you have answered with your usual deception.

Usual deception is what you are trying to prove. My answer was clear and frank becuase I have no thing to hide.

It well know that muslim girls have a hard time marrying out of their religion, that is if you think that , say , risking death is a hard time.
Quit trying to impress us with your religion and heritage as it is nothing to be proud of.

Regarding, Muslim Girls, they are not alloed to marry non Muslims due to our religious tradition and its our own freedom to practice what we believe the right thing.
By the way , I am not trying to impress any one with my religion or heritage. If you think it is nothing to bew proud of, THIS IS YOUR OWN OPENION< I RESPECT IT BUT I DO NOT AGREE WITH IT BECAUSE IT IMPLIES YOUR SHALLOW WAY OF CRITICIZING OTHERS INTENTIONALLY.
Muslim girls who marry some one other than a muslim or convert to another religion are treated as criminals. Some are kidnapped, beaten and/or killed by their own brothers and fathers.

If a MUSLIM converted to another religion, he will be given a three days chance to think about it and if he decided be non muslims he will be killed. This is because you free to be non MUSLIM but if you ebraced ISLAM you can not convert to other religions and this is a commitment by every MUSLIM that must be aware of.
This is what happens to people who try to change their religion, in Egypt.
http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/14689.htm
http://www.mcjonline.com/news/03a/20031205d.shtml

"Two days after their detention, the two were transferred to a Cairo police station, where they were beaten, hung by their arms, and bloated with painful amounts of air blown into their bodies. They were denied any food while detained under intense interrogation in central Cairo’s El-Mosky police station, where they were logged under administrative case No. 3793 for 2003." http://www.compassdirect.org/en/breakin ... lement=119

"In 1996, the marriage of a Kuwaiti convert from Islam to Christianity was forcibly dissolved and his children taken from him before he underwent a much-publicized trial for apostasy". Gee, I wonder what happens to their family lineage!! http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/christian ... lamic.html http://www.barnabasfund.org/Apostasy/Persecuted.htm

Pakistan
"Discrimination takes many forms, some seemingly minor. In some areas, restaurant owners ask their patrons’ for their religion before serving them. One restaurant in Hafizabad (Gujranwala district) has separate utensils and wash-basins for Muslims and non-Muslims.
Upon conversion to Islam, the marriages of Christian men remain legal; however, upon conversion to Islam, the marriages of Christian women, or of other non-Muslims that were performed under the rites of the previous religion, are considered dissolved. Children born to Christian women who convert to Islam after marriage are considered illegitimate if their husbands do not also convert or if they do not separate from their husbands. Children of non-Muslim men who convert are not considered illegitimate."
http://www.asianews.it/view".php?l=en&art=2092

There are a lot of examples of such behaviours in Catholic, orthodox, ans other chrestian religions and people were burnt or crossified. Please, read your history. I am not ashamed of such thing because when a muslim convert to another religion he is commiting a sin that results in consequences he already knows.

Last Thing, DDt.
I hope one day you will find yourself defending ISLAM. who knows??

From my knowledge he Christians usually killed people for something more superficial, such as being a witch, or being posessed by a demon. It stopped once more scientific knowledge about physical disorders and phenomena had been explained. Sure, there were people killed for converting, not being a Christian, or not going to the "right" church. This didn't just happen in Christianity, it happend in almost every part of the world. The Chinese would sacrafice hundreds or thousands of slaves when a ruler would die, and the Egyptian beliefs weren't exactly peaceful either. The thing is, about everyone has stopped these horrible acts. The Muslims are the only large group of people still doing this, why can't it stop?

Before you go off on me for being Jewish, Christian, or anything else, I am an Athiest. I have no God, so please don't give me that cr@p.

Originally Posted by Joel

Before you go off on me for being Jewish, Christian, or anything else, I am an Athiest. I have no God, so please don't give me that cr@p.

Religions suck. Science rules. Period.

Originally Posted by a true arab

Last Thing, DDt.
I hope one day you will find yourself defending ISLAM. who knows??[/color]

I can tell you True Arab, that if you were standing here next to me, I would gladly defend your right to be Muslim. Because I believe in freedom.
But of course privately, I would still try to change your mind.

PS. I think it is ok to be proud of your heritage. I do not hate Arab people. We are all equal. You and I only disagree because of religion.

Also I think that we should try to keep our "battles" in another thread as this thread is supposed to be
a friendly talk about each of our backgrounds.

Originally Posted by Joel

From my knowledge he Christians usually killed people for something more superficial, such as being a witch, or being posessed by a demon. It stopped once more scientific knowledge about physical disorders and phenomena had been explained. Sure, there were people killed for converting, not being a Christian, or not going to the "right" church. This didn't just happen in Christianity, it happend in almost every part of the world. The Chinese would sacrafice hundreds or thousands of slaves when a ruler would die, and the Egyptian beliefs weren't exactly peaceful either. The thing is, about everyone has stopped these horrible acts. The Muslims are the only large group of people still doing this, why can't it stop?

Before you go off on me for being Jewish, Christian, or anything else, I am an Athiest. I have no God, so please don't give me that cr@p.

I do not care if you are Athiest or not, it is your own business, we arere still doing this because we are not like otgerswho change their religion traditions because of political, commercial, or sometimes personal desires of powerful personalities in religious positions. We believe that Islam is thee true religion, and we believe that Isalmic SHARI'A (ISLAMIC LAW) is not a man-made law, it is a divine standard that we are not allowed to change or modify to let some people pleased. It is a a strong religion that no one succeeded to change its traditions notwithstanding the fierce various kinds of war it has faced since more than 1400 years.

If you have more questions check this site:
http://www.islamonline.net/English/index.shtml

Originally Posted by DDT

Originally Posted by a true arab

Last Thing, DDt.
I hope one day you will find yourself defending ISLAM. who knows??[/color]

I can tell you True Arab, that if you were standing here next to me, I would gladly defend your right to be Muslim. Because I believe in freedom.
But of course privately, I would still try to change your mind.

Thanks for your frankness, and I am too willl be more pleased to convince you to embrace ISLAM because I believe it is the true religion and I like to sse all people MUSLLIMS because we do not hate others we want them to be on the right path. THAT IS ALL

PS. I think it is ok to be proud of your heritage. I do not hate Arab people. We are all equal. You and I only disagree because of religion.
NO, I am not against you at all, and frankly I do not hate you, as a matter of fact I am trying to correct some things you believe in ISLAM which I believe not correct because of misunderstanding.
Also I think that we should try to keep our "battles" in another thread as this thread is supposed to be
a friendly talk about each of our backgrounds.

Any way, I am not in a battle with you it is supposed to be beneficial adult debate. I am not trying to assume the only correct party, but I am trying to share what I know to others. I think alll members in the forum registered because they are ambitious to learn something new, Russian language, NEW people, Foreign cultures, and any new stuff.

So our so called battles may be benefical to others.

I would like to emphasize again and again that I am not against any one, I do not hate CHristians, Jews, or any other non Muslims, but I believe that I have a message to let them know about Islam is it is for me the true religion. I think this is valid under any HUMAN RIGHTS.

The sad thing is that people has stopped beliving in the mening of religion, and only belives in the religion itself. religion is not the purpose of religion.

Originally Posted by Joel

Before you go off on me for being Jewish, Christian, or anything else, I am an Athiest. I have no God, so please don't give me that cr@p.

You're not an atheist, you believe that God doesn't exist.

Originally Posted by Vlacko

Originally Posted by Joel

I am an Athiest. I have no God, so please don't give me that cr@p.

You're not an atheist, you believe that God doesn't exist.

Originally Posted by Zhenya

The sad thing is that people has stopped beliving in the mening of religion, and only belives in the religion itself. religion is not the purpose of religion.

Don't the words of Joel, Vlaco and Zhenya have something in common? Yes, they do! People are free. People are born free and people are born to live free. Believe in what you want unless it contradicts the meaning freedom for other people.

It's always very sad for me when all those free people begin to raise their meaning of freedom above others'. When you don't want to accept God---I think it's only when others try to raise their meaning of freedom above yours. And it's understandable when people resist!

I don't accept having a religeon as most of the population of the Earth understand that. I don't need such religeon because I was born free, I live free and I will die free notwithstanding the things other think.

BUT I CAME TO BELIEVING IN GOD MYSELF. No one could make me do so raising their meaning of freedom. I just live my life and think about this life. I look at it at different angles and keep asking why it flows this way or another. I listen, I read, I look, I ponder. And I see God everywhere not denying science, not denying anything else.

It's difficult to naturally come to this believing in nowadays life. I think people of the past, of the ancient times could see more. And there were less misunderstandings and misinterpretations of life.

I think a lot of the time religion resembles a kind of institutionalised obsessive-compulsive disorder, where you don't feel at ease unless you perform the same rituals again and again, or say certain prayers, or wear certain clothes. I think a true 'religious' sense is a state of mind, an appreciation of the deeper, more mysterious side of life and a sense of value in something beyond the everyday material world. In fact, I think religion is often a way of blocking this feeling out. I once heard someone describe religion as "an attempt to contain the unknowable" and I thought it was a very good description.

Originally Posted by Rtyom

Don't the words of Joel, Vlaco and Zhenya have something in common? Yes, they do! People are free. People are born free and people are born to live free. Believe in what you want unless it contradicts the meaning freedom for other people.

It's VLACKO not Vlaco!!!