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Oh, it's wonderful that people here can make you feel happy! But what about you in return helping someone here with Russian? This is a Masterrussian forum after all, remember? Or lawyers do not provide help for free, do they?Quote:
Originally Posted by Timon
Are there too many learners of Russian requesting for help these days? (especially those who haven't get the requested help?)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lampada
Anyone is welcome to ask me for a help and I will help. Why do you think I do not want to help.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lampada
Legal help is payable. Language help is for free:)
It's not the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoffeeCup
I think so because so far you haven't helped anyone here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Timon
Do you expect people to contact you directly? You did not have to do it, did you?
Free legal help does not exist in Russia anymore? Nice...
You are right, I did not help. And I do not think I will monitor the respective part of the forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lampada
But anyone is welcome to send me a private message and ask his/her question.
There is free legal help, as usual law student provide it in their universities (it is called pro bono). Practicing lawyers are deprived of doing so due to overloads with payable work that they have to accomplish in short deadlines with long billed hours. I presume the same is in the US.
Fine. It will do. You might want let our people know. There is a separate forum for it: Penpals and Language ExchangeQuote:
Originally Posted by Timon
When a person come to a forum he is mostly looking for a specific help that the forum users can provide. If the person were pleased with the help, hospitality and welcoming he eventually would became a virtual friend of this community and provide some help in return. This is a natural way for all the forums to evolve.
But if the person is forced to do something in return even before he had accustomed to the forum's community (and even if there is nobody he can help) it looks really weird like a sect or a closed high school club for self elected. The person would hardly ever be pleased with such a request and think twice is this forum really worth to join it at all.
Especially such a request looks strange from the point of established "democracy", those democracy that "killed" our beloved Оля.
I believe that our forum (as well as any forum) would be more active and positive if it will be considered as a free will community. Even more I would personally prefer if this "free will" would be rather free as "free bear" than "free speech".
Что случилось с Олей?Quote:
those democracy that killed our beloved Оля.
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those democracy that killed our beloved Оля.
I don't think that she's gone because of the forum conflict. Just before leaving she mentioned some disaster in her private life. When such things happen, people usually want to change everything: lifestyle, furniture, hair color, forums, i.e. "to start a new life".Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus
Какой был на форуме конфликт?
Насколько я помню, Оля регулярно ругалась на форуме с одним из форумчан на несвязанные с русским языком темы, и конфликт принял нешуточные размеры. По-времени это приблизительно совпало с ее уходом с форума. Не пойму, причем тут Лампада.
Вообще, я понимаю ее стремление сделать так, чтобы все оказывали посильный вклад в развитие форума. Но, думаю, все согласятся, что любая помощь - дело сугубо добровольное. Мы не на работе, в конце концов. Тимон, не парься. ))
hardly...Quote:
Originally Posted by it-ogo
That is my personal experience. Twice in a life I abandoned all my favorite forums at once and both times it was connected with my private life in reality, not with my forum conflicts (even though there were conflicts sometimes).Quote:
Originally Posted by sperk
Хм, мне показалось, что перед уходом она была амынлав, и проблема была на форуме.Quote:
Originally Posted by it-ogo
Это на каком языке и что значит?Quote:
амынлав
Модератор обязан прерывать подобные конфликты, с момента их возниконовения, а не ждать их развития (типа пусть каждый говорит, что хочет).Quote:
Originally Posted by gRomoZeka
Бездействие модератора привело к тому, что пользователь, который более всех помогал другим, покинул форум.
Действия же модератора по принуждению к помощи, особенно когда просьб об этой помощи в общем то и нет, только отпугивают новых пользователей от форума.
Подпись у нее такая была, i'm in loveQuote:
Originally Posted by Marcus
Мне, кстати, тоже, показалось, что проблема была на форуме.
Вот эта веточка:
http://masterrussian.net/f20/%D0%BC%...D%D0%B5-15467/
НО! Если изначально Оля была жертвой, то здесь её практически все осудили (считаю, что справедливо). Во всяком случае, после этой ветки, на форуме она больше не появилась.
Оля действительно помогала в разделах по грамматике намного больше остальных, это было очень заметно. Но при этом она могла ТАК обхамить какого-нибудь новичка за на ровном месте, что мама не горюй. Поэтому не надо выставлять ее беззащитной овцой, которая вынудили покинуть форум какие-то злыдни (злыдень).Quote:
Originally Posted by CoffeeCup
К тому же, у нас мягкомодерируемый форум. Соответственно модератор в большинстве случаев выражает свое отношение к происходящему и предлагает скорректировать свое поведение (что и было сделано), а растаскивать драчунов за уши, как в детском саду, никто не обязан. Также никто не обязан и уговаривать пользователей остаться на форуме (хотя и ЭТО было сделано).
ЗЫ. Эх, безумные были времена. :)
That's what I call "disaster in her private life".Quote:
Originally Posted by BappaBa
Евгений Базаров, однако. =)Quote:
Originally Posted by it-ogo
I want to reply to this thread even though it's not really my business, but I do have a few quick, hopefully beneficial, things to say.
Firstly, I owe a great debt to the people here on this website, for being my unofficial and unpaid (in monetary terms!) teachers of the Russian language, for three years. I'm a slow and sometimes lazy learner, and I think without some of the personal guidance I've gotten here, I'd have *never* gotten to where I am with Russian today. (This is not to say I'm done! I'm far from "taught" - but come so far from where I started!) Once or twice, I got a cross response from somebody, but I'm pretty sure I'd deserved it by being brash, arrogant or half-committed to a topic at the time... Anyway.. By and large (like 10k::1) you all have been wonderful helpers - attentive, helpful, good intentions bleeding through all the while.. I feel a great debt to you all, and if EVER I should discover that there's something that my knowledge of English, or anything really, could do to help you lot out, I'd be doing it, out of a sense of gratitude and appreciation. Sure, it took three years.. but like I said, I'm a slow learner. =)
But I would be a coward and liar if I did not say that Оля was a large contributor to my learning, and also to making me feel welcome here. I think I'm not the only one who feels that way. I don't even think she would know how instrumental she was to my progress in learning this language, because she was only doing the thing that she ever did, but it was a great help to me. And she's just one of many here whom I am indebted to.
And I won't say anything negative about anyone! - no good comes from that and anyway I wouldn't know what I'm talking about anyway! - but I will say one more thing, even at the risk of stepping on toes... As a Westerner, born in america, I was *afraid*, from my first shared word with this website, that my own people, Westerners, Americans, would bring the 'ugly american' attitude to this place.. I can say that if some of the things insinuated in that thread from above were truly said to ms Оля, then I am duly embarassed by this. It would be a poor representation of my nationality and my gender both. Now - we *are* here to help, and I think we should, if we can, not because we have to or because of a process in place, but because of reciprocity - because we *want* to. And that's what we're meant to be here for - to meet and be friendly and learn together in the context of the russian language..
And if I'm not speaking too plainly, this too: When you (read: I) go to 'google' and type in something along the lines of "meet Russians," the only responses I'll get for PAGES are untoward-bordering-on-vulgar ads by companies who want to capitalize on the stereotype of the fairer sex among Russians. There are so many stereotypes in relation to this, that as a westerner I became nervous about the whole topic. I was very lucky when I found this website; MR is an oasis in the desert; one of the only russian-speaking communities that is so welcoming to us imports.. So you can imagine how I feel about the idea that someone would act lewdly in this place, and make one of my respected teachers feel dishonored.
So, regardless of who was right or wrong, I must say that I respected Оля, and it breaks my heart that someone would speak in such a way to her.
And for what it's worth, wherever she is, I hope Оля is being treated by karma with the respect I think she deserves.
And I've wanted for years to help out more here! After reading this thread, I'm going to take it upon myself to be more active helping out others with what I know about English. I'm going to try to be a more positive force on MR - and if anyone has any guidance on how I can be a better asset, I'm all ears!
Thanks again to everybody for all the love. l/l
You are welcome!Quote:
Originally Posted by kidkboom
what does it mean? Is that some kind of an idiom, or fixed phrase?Quote:
Originally Posted by gRomoZeka
Wow! Thank you so much for sharing that!!! I haven't laughed that much for several months already! =)))Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramil
"за" там лишнее. Опечатка.Quote:
Originally Posted by kamilion
"на ровном месте" -- без причины или повода, неожиданно и т.п.
"(так, что) мама не горюй" - очень, сильно (или очень сильно :) )
The second one is obviously an idiom, the first feels more like a metaphor.
спасибо :DQuote:
Originally Posted by E-learner
А так можно сказать? Он меня ударил на ровном месте.
А ещё, выражение "мама не горюй" употребляется чаще всего в отрицательном или положительном значении?
Я имею в виду например такие предложения:
Она чувствовала себе счастливой так, что мама не горюй. (это имеет смысл, или можно быть только несчастливой так, что мама не горюй?)
Она сказала ей столько неприятных вещей, что мама не горюй. (здесь вообще не знаю, можно ли так этот идиом употребить?)
The first one is better to put as "он меня ударил ни с того ни с сего". That would convey the same meaning while sounding more natural to a native speaker's ear, I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by kamilion
Then, "Она чувствовала себе счастливой так, что мама не горюй." - here you can't use "мама не горюй.", that's really weird; but if you replace "счастливой" with "несчастной", it won't still be ok, it's not just about "positive/negative meaning";
"Она сказала ей столько неприятных вещей, что мама не горюй." - that's ok.
Yes, it was a typo. I'm sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by E-learner
The phrase was too long and I deleted a few words, "за" was left behind by accident.
Спасибо ещё раз :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric C.