[quote=Cesar]Originally Posted by VendingMachine
Speakers of Romanian will not understand speakers of Spanish. With Russian and Ukranian it's a different story - I watch movies dubbed into Ukranian and I can easily follow most of the conversations (I fail to understand only about 5%).Well, in the same way French, Spanish, Romanian and Italian are dialects of Latin, perhaps so.
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[quote=Cesar]You have to consider isolation, Russia is a big block in which Russian has probably settled much later than other languages did in other parts of the world while the other languages are spreaded around the world for some more centuries...
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What? Бычок from Petersburgers? You've got to be kidding. It's a word we associate with Moscow. Проездной is not used by native Petersburgers, it's карточка and карточка only and it's проездной that sounds weird, not карточка. Подъезд is used in St Pete only in "official" speech, otherwise it's always "парадное" ("парадняк" in slang). As for "булка" being a blanket term for all kinds of white bread - it's not true, you've been to St Pete but you've learnt nothing - "булка" means a very specific kind of white bread, the other kinds are called "белый хлеб".Мне всегда казалось, что это всё немного преувеличено... Я какое-то время жила в Питере и сама говорила, и от окружающих слышала подъезд, бычок, проездной (карточка звучит дико!), тротуар, конечная... Единственное, что правда - это "булка" вместо "батон" (так там называют вообще любой белый хлеб). А "ларёк", по-моему, и в Москве говорят.
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Я не собираюсь с тобой спорить. Это чревато. По твоим словам может оказаться, что я в Петербурге никогда не была.
Если хочешь знать, я там родилась и прожила там несколько лет.
I was born in SPb and lived there several years, so don't dispute with me.
P.S. Everyone, whom I knew there, said "булка" instead od "батон".
In Russian, all nationalities and their corresponding languages start with a lower-case letter.
btw, yes. Russian dialects have retained a lot more Slavic roots compared to the literary language. They are pretty much dying out though.Не только видел я местечко "на севере", я еще и сам оттуда. У нас маленький город - это именно "мЯстеТко" (произносим со звуком "я" и такой вот как бы средний между "ч" и "т" звук).
Если уж утверждать, что русский (великорусский), украинский (малорусский), белорусский и русинский - разные языки, а не диалекты одного языка, то придётся признать, что существуют также языки: московский, питерский и т.д...
Could you please occasionally correct my stupid errors!
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There are no specific objective criteria on what are different languages and what -- different dialects (although I can't imagine any reasonable criterion that would allow call Russian and Ukrainian dialects of the same. Why not take Russian and Bulgarian instead -- if you look at the words, there are a lot more similarities than there are with ukrainan...).
Moreover, it is not going to be possible to invent such criteria and stay anywhere remotely consistent with current classification, which means that whoever tries to invent them won't ever be able to persuade anyone else to agree.
again -- here are many languages that are much closer to each other than Russian and Ukrainian, and many dialects that are not mutually intelligible at all, so comparisons won't get you anywhere here.
[quote=VendingMachine][quote=Cesar]Speakers of Romanian will not understand speakers of Spanish. With Russian and Ukranian it's a different story - I watch movies dubbed into Ukranian and I can easily follow most of the conversations (I fail to understand only about 5%).Well, in the same way French, Spanish, Romanian and Italian are dialects of Latin, perhaps so.
А про Киев можно?
подъезд(Mos) - парадное(SPb) - entrance(Eng) - и подьезд, и парадное
бордюр(Mos) - поребрик(SPb) - border(Eng) - бордюр
бычок(Mos) - хабарик(SPb) - cigarette-butt(Eng) - окурок, бычок (бл.)
жулик(Mos) - мазурик(SPb) - swindler(Eng) - жулик, аферист
личинка (часть замка)(Mos) - секретка(SPb) - cylinder lock(Eng) - ?
проездной(Mos) - карточка(SPb) - season ticket(Eng) - проездной
палатка(Mos) - ларёк(SPb) - stall(Eng) - ларёк
тротуар(Mos) - панель(SPb) - pavement(Eng) - тротуар
конечная(Mos) - кольцо(SPb) - terminus(Eng) - конечная
ластик(Mos) - резинка(SPb) - eraser(Eng) - резинка
батон(Mos) - булка(SPb) - bread stick(Eng) - батон
водолазка(Mos) - бодлон(SPb) - polo-neck(Eng) - гольфик
etc...
"...Важно, чтобы форум оставался местом, объединяющим людей, для которых интересны русский язык и культура. ..." - MasterАdmin (из переписки)
[quote=VendingMachine][quote=Cesar]Speakers of Romanian will not understand speakers of Spanish. With Russian and Ukranian it's a different story - I watch movies dubbed into Ukranian and I can easily follow most of the conversations (I fail to understand only about 5%).Well, in the same way French, Spanish, Romanian and Italian are dialects of Latin, perhaps so.
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Can you read at all? Now, what did I say? Why don't you go back to my post and re-read it? Where did I say we said "булка" for "батон", eh? We use "булка" for very specific kinds of white bread (long, with cuts), the other kinds (brick-like) are called "белый хлеб", which is VERY different from "булка" both in terms of FORM and in terms of TASTE. You may have lived in St Pete but you've absorbed nothing of the language. For your information, "батон" means "father" in St Pete slang.
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A bit harsh, maybe her English isn't as good as yours.Can you read at all? Now, what did I say? Why don't you go back to my post and re-read?
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One has to be harsh sometimes.
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A bit harsh, maybe her English isn't as good as yours.Can you read at all? Now, what did I say? Why don't you go back to my post and re-read?A bit?
"...Важно, чтобы форум оставался местом, объединяющим людей, для которых интересны русский язык и культура. ..." - MasterАdmin (из переписки)
I am not, my wife is (a native speaker of Catalan Spanish) She tried listening to a Romanian program on TV once (a talk show) and said she couldn't understand what they were saying, only a word or two here and there.
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VendingMachine, leave me alone.
Я все равно останусь при своем мнении, а то, что ты самый умный, и так все давно знают.
In Russian, all nationalities and their corresponding languages start with a lower-case letter.
If you comment my posts, expect a reaction. Like it or lump it.
This is not about opinions, this is about FACTS. Who gives a toss about opinions in this thread? We're talking FACTS here. You have misrepresented vital facts about the Russian we speak in St Pete - and you did this with malice aforethought. А до мнения вас, москвичей, мне нет никакого дела.Я все равно останусь при своем мнении
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Ты первым стал комментировать мой пост. Я-то помню, что ты грубиян и что с тобой не надо связываться, поэтому я твои посты первая не комментирую.If you comment my posts, expect a reaction. Like it or lump it.
In Russian, all nationalities and their corresponding languages start with a lower-case letter.
Старый добрый Водкомат.Как давно я не читал его "harsh"-постов. Аж слёзы умиления текут.
«И всё, что сейчас происходит внутре — тоже является частью вселенной».
Может, эту темку запереть, от греха подальше?
"...Важно, чтобы форум оставался местом, объединяющим людей, для которых интересны русский язык и культура. ..." - MasterАdmin (из переписки)
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