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    Его написание полностью подчиняется правилам
    Я догадываюсь, но как эти правила применить иностранцу?
    Из-за отсутствия ударений прочитать по-русски незнакомое слово невозможно.
    Я говорил, что в английском можно ограничиться тупой зубрёжкой или запоминанием облика слов, а в русском без глубокого знания правил не обойтись. Это я не говорю о пунктуации. Как результат правильно писать по-русски ещё труднее,, чем по-английски.

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    Вот ещё про орфографию придумал. Слово "литр" произносится как "л'итър" ("ъ" -шва). То есть оно бы читалась так же, если бы писалось "литор" или "литар".
    Слово "водоросль" вообще уникально: оно читается как "водръсъл'" .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus View Post
    Слово "водоросль" вообще уникально: оно читается как "водръсъл'" .
    Водоросль читается как водʌрəс[ə]ль, как и должно читаться. Синим отмечены символы IPA.

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    Водоросль читается как водʌрəс[ə]ль, как и должно читаться. Синим отмечены символы IPA.
    Неправда. Проволока читается как провълкъ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus View Post
    Неправда. Проволока читается как провълкъ.
    У тебя русский неродной? Это я про постоянное употребление неправда.

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    Это я про постоянное употребление неправда.
    А что в неправде нерусского?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus View Post
    А что в неправде нерусского?
    Просто агрессивно выглядит. Имхо, большинство бы написало: "Нет. Проволока читается как провълкъ."

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    "Неправда. А Бонаротти?
    Или это сказка
    Тупой, бессмысленной толпы
    И не был убийцею
    Создатель Ватикана?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus View Post
    Проволока читается как провълкъ."
    Ну да. А "здравствуйте" читается "здрасти".

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    "водоросль" с гласной между "д" и "р", по-моему, просто невозможно произнести.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus View Post
    "водоросль" с гласной между "д" и "р", по-моему, просто невозможно произнести.
    А по-моему, только так и можно.

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    А по-моему, только так и можно.
    Это иллюзия.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus View Post
    Это иллюзия.
    А это - голословное утверждение.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Полуношник View Post
    Ну да. А "здравствуйте" читается "здрасти".
    Ты зря меня в цитату вставил, это не мое утверждение.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BappaBa View Post
    Ты зря меня в цитату вставил, это не мое утверждение.
    Прошу прощения. Исправил.

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    Well I was in a book shop today in the city of Vitebsk and noticed that they had Russian grammar books for the 12th grade (18 y.o. I think!)

    Gosh, I did not open a grammar book since I was about 12! It's unbelievable that the Russian grammar is so hard that they need to continue teaching it all the way through school. That illustrates that the difficulty with the Russian language is with the grammar.

    The spelling is nothing extraordinary and on the whole, more logical than English for example. Of course there are some tricky exceptions, but on the whole, it's logical.

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    Grammar and spelling cannot be easily separated, and native speakers usually study grammar for spelling and punctuation. "видит" is spelled with "и" because it is 2nd conjugation, "видел" is spelled with "е" becuase the past tense is formed from the infinitive and does not depend on the conjugation. Is it grammar or spelling? Then, native speakers do not need to study grammar as foreigners do, they study it in different way. Grammar is a part of school program in Russia. There are theoretical exams (you can choose it) on Russian language. So it is considered bad for an educated person not to understand Russian grammar. And trust me, one cannot put punctuation marks correctly without solid knowledge of syntax. For example, parts of a complex sentence are separated by commas, each part has its stem (the subject and the predicate), but, as you know, a subject and a verb might not be in a Russian sentence (сегодня холодно), so it's not trivial to find a stem, but one badly needs to do that to put commas correctly.

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    Gosh, I did not open a grammar book since I was about 12! It's unbelievable that the Russian grammar is so hard that they need to continue teaching it all the way through school.
    There can be two causes. The first is that Belorussian ministry of education thinks it is necessary for their people to know what types of subordinate clauses are in Russian, and Swedish does not. The second is that Russian spelling and punctuation are based on grammar, as I mentioned before.

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    So, native Russian speakers do not have problems with declension (except for complex numbers), with verb aspect or something like that. They have problems with description of all this, with spelling and punctuation and only sometimes with correct construction of a phrase. Phrases are not sometimes clear enough.

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