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    Thanks for starting this thread, Hanna!

    The "Art Nouveau" card is interesting -- it says "Merry Christmas and a Happy Upcoming/Approaching New Year". Nowadays, as far as I know, Russian Orthodox Christians use the Old Style (Julian) calendar for the date of Christmas, but New Style (Gregorian calendar) for the date of the New Year -- thus, Рождество "наступает" после Нового года (Christmas "approaches" after New Year's Day.) I would've guessed that this was an Ivan Bilibin design, but the initials at the bottom are В.З.

    The art on the "Red soldier" card is interesting to me, too:

    (1) The Star of Bethlehem (Вифлиемская звезда) is clearly six-pointed, and thus it looks like the "Star of David". Which is appropriate, in a way, because Jesus was Jewish, although Judaism did not begin using the six-pointed star until medieval times. But it surprised me a little to see the star as six-pointed, because in American culture and Christmas-art, the Star of Bethlehem is very "standardized", and almost without exception is four-pointed, usually the two horizontal points shorter than the two vertical points (thus, the star visually resembles the Christian cross).

    (2) The soldier is clearly a Communist, yet the Russian very specifically says "Happy Nativity of Christ", instead of being shortened to "Happy Nativity." (Of course, "Nativity"/Рождество are religious terms, also, but mentioning Christ's name makes it more OBVIOUSLY religious.)

    (3) What's that "Oriental"-style inscription in the lower left? It looks like it could be Korean -- or it might be Cyrillic letters written in a pseudo-Chinese style, I'm not sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Throbert McGee View Post
    The art on the "Red soldier" card is interesting to me, too:
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    (2) The soldier is clearly a Communist, yet the Russian very specifically says "Happy Nativity of Christ", instead of being shortened to "Happy Nativity." (Of course, "Nativity"/Рождество are religious terms, also, but mentioning Christ's name makes it more OBVIOUSLY religious.)

    (3) What's that "Oriental"-style inscription in the lower left? It looks like it could be Korean -- or it might be Cyrillic letters written in a pseudo-Chinese style, I'm not sure.
    He is not a Red solder at all, he is just a regular Russian solder before the 1917 revolution. Religion was banned after the revolution, so it is absolutely impossible for a postcard to include both a Red solder and any Christmas notions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Throbert McGee View Post

    (2) The soldier is clearly a Communist, ...

    Может вы и правы, но из чего это следует?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnllll View Post

    Может вы и правы, но из чего это следует?
    А разве так удивительно, что иностранец мог бы ошибочно принимать красные погоны/эполлеты у солдата за символ коммунизма?

    (But you make a good point -- I should have written "the soldier is apparently/presumably wearing a Communist uniform", not that this is "clearly" the case.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Throbert McGee View Post
    А разве так удивительно, что иностранец мог бы ошибочно принимать красные погоны/эполлеты у солдата за символ коммунизма?
    Большевики запретили погоны в декабре 1917, в погонах воевали белые. В Красной Армии погоны ввели при Сталине в 1943-ем году.
    Quote Originally Posted by Throbert McGee View Post
    (But you make a good point -- I should have written "the soldier is apparently/presumably wearing a Communist uniform", not that this is "clearly" the case.)
    В СССР пропагандируемый шаблонный вид красноармейца был такой:



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    Quote Originally Posted by Throbert McGee View Post

    (But you make a good point -- I should have written "the soldier is apparently/presumably wearing a Communist uniform", not that this is "clearly" the case.)
    Именно это я и хотел вам заметить. Но не хотел бы, чтобы это выглядело как наставление или нравоучение.

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