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    Quote Originally Posted by capecoddah View Post
    You're confusing an F-1 Student Visa (F-1 Student Visa: Education in the USA - ) (Student Visas ) with a J-1 Exchange Visitor ( J-1 Visa Basics | J-1 Visa).

    2 different things.

    F-1 is a visa to be a student in the USA.Work part-time.
    J-1 is a visa granted to students to work and see the USA. Work full time for 3 months and travel 1.
    Yes, you are correct about visa types but I still think that "granted" is the key word here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doomer View Post
    Yes, you are correct about visa types but I still think that "granted" is the key word here
    "earned"...
    Kids have to jump through a few hoops to get a J-1.
    American Bureaucracy and Russian Bureaucracy together is a winning combination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by capecoddah View Post
    "earned"...
    I guess the joke didn't work
    Quote Originally Posted by capecoddah
    J-1 is a visa granted to students to work and see the USA. Work full time for 3 months and travel 1.
    Quote Originally Posted by capecoddah View Post
    Kids have to jump through a few hoops to get a J-1.
    American Bureaucracy and Russian Bureaucracy together is a winning combination.
    That was precisely my point
    Not every kid can get a J-1, so the Russian kids you see are probably above average. Don't underestimate American kids and don't overestimate Russian kids, in general

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doomer View Post
    I guess the joke didn't work



    That was precisely my point
    Not every kid can get a J-1, so the Russian kids you see are probably above average. Don't underestimate American kids and don't overestimate Russian kids, in general
    I know I get "The Cream of the Crop" Russian kids. I have a couple schools that "feed" me good candidates.
    It's not as bad as it sounds. I want good employees. It's a process. A friend's daughter is being groomed for future employment. It's her ticket to the USA

    American college students go to University because they are too stupid to flip burgers.
    The "Top of the Class" Hospitality Major can't find Kansas or Antarctica on a map. Thinks Africa is a country. "How do I call 911?" Can't add, subtract, multiply or divide without a calculator and is attached to a phone 24/7.

    Sorry about the rant, but welcome to my life.

    In general.
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    Quote Originally Posted by capecoddah View Post
    I know I get "The Cream of the Crop" Russian kids. I have a couple schools that "feed" me good candidates.
    It's not as bad as it sounds. I want good employees. It's a process. A friend's daughter is being groomed for future employment. It's her ticket to the USA
    I feel you
    Quote Originally Posted by capecoddah View Post
    American college students go to University because they are too stupid to flip burgers.
    The "Top of the Class" Hospitality Major can't find Kansas or Antarctica on a map. Thinks Africa is a country. "How do I call 911?" Can't add, subtract, multiply or divide without a calculator and is attached to a phone 24/7.
    Actually that reminds me of another cultural difference
    Russian parents (as well as other Eastern European and Oriental parents) feel more responsibility for their kids. That's good and bad at the same time. The good things that parents try to give their kids best they can, especially when we talking about education. They help their kids with homework to get them to UNDERSTAND the quizzes. This also almost mandatory for Russians who live in the US because American junior and middle schools are joke. The bad thing about it that parents try to control kids too much which might to luck of self esteem and creativity. This also more tend in Oriental families, "Tiger moms" thingy

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    Quote Originally Posted by capecoddah View Post
    American college students go to University because they are too stupid to flip burgers.
    The "Top of the Class" Hospitality Major can't find Kansas or Antarctica on a map. Thinks Africa is a country. "How do I call 911?" Can't add, subtract, multiply or divide without a calculator and is attached to a phone 24/7.
    Очень жаль. With that attitude, all you're going to achieve is helping to keep your countrymen as debased as your predispositions misrepresent them to be. Maybe something in your vocation requires you to view American college students that way, but it doesn't lessen the shame your opinion contributes to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kidkboom View Post
    Очень жаль. With that attitude, all you're going to achieve is helping to keep your countrymen as debased as your predispositions misrepresent them to be. Maybe something in your vocation requires you to view American college students that way, but it doesn't lessen the shame your opinion contributes to.
    Sorry to say, but I think you are being judgemental yourself here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lampada View Post
    Sorry to say, but I think you are being judgemental yourself here.
    I respect what you're saying - but what other response shall I give to "American kids go to college because they're too stupid to flip burgers?"

    Imagine the reverse:

    "Russian kids _____ because they're too stupid to ____ ."

    "Irish people ____ because they're too stupid to ____ ."

    "Asian people _____ because they're too stupid to ____ ."

    Where is this going to be acceptable? And in what sense could we fill in the blanks that it would not create a judgmental and biased statement?

    Maybe the error in judgment I made was thinking that his train of thought would lead to nothing but further debasement of that demographic. Maybe instead it will inspire some American kid. "Flip burgers, eh? Well, nothing to do in the face of insult but to change the entire frame of my personal life in the hopes it will sway the stereotypes made against my demographic, across the breadth of time to come. [Attends college with the immeasurable goal of meeting capecoddah's unmentioned standards of behavior]"

    I have no argument with the statement he/she is making about hiring practices. I do take issue with the wanton use of stereotypical language, only suitable here because the culprit is "American kids" and not "Russian kids" or "jews" or "blacks" or "women" or "disabled people."

    I like being friendly and agreeable with people on this website, but there are times when I have to speak frankly.

    And why would you want to defend this train of thought?
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