Thread: The crisis in Syria

Well, it owns that they finally agreed on a solution for Assad's chemical weapons but that won't help if they don't get the chemical weapons away from the rebels too. It only fixes half the problem.

I agree 100%. I am glad that the original rebels have split away from the jihadists though. Not sure how this will change the US stance if at all.
Personally I'd be happy if all the countries in that region had to give up their chemical weapons.
The idea that such weapons even exist nauseates and disgusts me.
Then again, I live in a country with a cache of nuclear arms so vast we could wipe out the world several times over.
It is the sad reality we all live in today.

Originally Posted by Deborski

I agree 100%. I am glad that the original rebels have split away from the jihadists though. Not sure how this will change the US stance if at all.
Personally I'd be happy if all the countries in that region had to give up their chemical weapons.
The idea that such weapons even exist nauseates and disgusts me.
Then again, I live in a country with a cache of nuclear arms so vast we could wipe out the world several times over.
It is the sad reality we all live in today.

Yeah, and our country still has 3,188 of the 31,100 metric tons of chemical weapons that the UN said had to be destroyed by 2012. Now they wanna extend it to 2021 and President Bush rejected the verification process.
That needs to change cause having chemical weapons is NOT cool.
United States and weapons of mass destruction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But there's good news too! Most of Assad's chemical weapons aren't even weaponized yet so they can be neutralized fast.
Most of Syria’s toxins can be destroyed more easily than officials initially thought - The Washington Post

And yeah, it's cool that the rebels split from the Al Nusra fighters but the Al Nusra = 75% of the rebel fighters. And in that last article I'm posting, even the U.S. admits that the opposition coulda stolen some of those chemical weapons. But the Al Nusra fighters probably already got chemical weapons from Saudi Arabia anyway.
Well, at least the refugees are getting some good support from the Lebanese Prime Minister. He's calling on UN member states to send aid to help them out.
Lebanon engulfed by tide of Syrian refugees | euronews, world news

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They didn't even kill each other in large numbers until somebody armed the opposition and started giving them logistic and PR support.

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Причиной вспышки полиомиелита в Сирии являются джихадисты из Пакистана... К суннитским повстанцам, воюющим против режима президента Башара Асада, присоединились тысячи иностранных боевиков. В их числе и исламисты из Пакистана. В 2013г. лишь три страны (Афганистан, Нигерия и Пакистан) в мире остаются эндемичными по полиомиелиту.Несколько дней назад Всемирная организация здравоохранения подтвердила предположения о вспышке полиомиелита в Сирии с помощью лабораторного анализа взятых проб. Из 22 зафиксированных случаев 10 - подтверждены, результаты относительно 12 станут известны после завершения исследований. Пробы были взяты в районе г.Дейр эль-Зор на северо-востоке Сирии недалеко от иракской границы. В группе риска находятся более 100 тыс. детей в регионе

45 Orthodox Christians in Syria massacred by the terrorists, "freedom fighters".

I wonder if my tax money to Her Majesty's Government paid for the weapons that they used?

The Tablet - 45 Syrian Christians massacred

It's interesting because those who are really egging on the fanaticism and the religious warfare are not the Syrians, but jihadists from the surrounding countries who have poured in. At least that is what my Syrian friend tells me. Before all of the warmongers came in, christians and muslims in Syria did not have this level of hostility. I saw an article about this in RT the other day as well, and my Syrian friend said it was spot on.

Originally Posted by Deborski

It's interesting because those who are really egging on the fanaticism and the religious warfare are not the Syrians, but jihadists from the surrounding countries who have poured in. At least that is what my Syrian friend tells me. Before all of the warmongers came in, christians and muslims in Syria did not have this level of hostility. I saw an article about this in RT the other day as well, and my Syrian friend said it was spot on.

I just saw the earlier quote from you, about Saudi trying to BRIBE the entire nation of Russia to drop Syria completely, and get some sweet oil deals.
It's a good thing Russia has oil of its own and enough integrity as a nation to decline.

Russia's intervention re the chemical weapons was really impressive.
This might just be the first time in 25 years that the USA faces a nation that can't be brainwashed, bought off, intimidated or ignored as the US pursues its agenda of global domination and picking off anyone who is not willing to be a vassal state one by one. Russia took a lot of flack for it, but it didn't really budge at all and I applaud that. Bashar Al Assad may not be a saint, but as leaders in the Arab world go, I would give him 8/10, and just like in Libya it's a case of "better the devil you know" for the population - total chaos, sectarian war and Western imperialism - or somebody like Assad - try to find an unbiased source and you'll find that he was trying to modernise and bring about social justice while keeping all religions happy. Really you can do a lot worse.

Compare with the vulgar, medieval types that run Saudi while beating their servants, treating their wives as their property, stoning people alive and running the whole country like a medieval monarchy. Not my business but if somebody should complain about regimes in the Middle East it's beyond comprehension that a modern, moderate and enlightened leader like Al-Assad is targetted and the regimes in Saudi and Bahrain are ignored.

The Syrians themselves want neither the dictatorial bastard nor jihadists. They want some peace and civilization. They probably want their country to become something like the U.K. or Sweden some day. (Deleted. L.)

Руководители американского телеканала CNN «вырезали» из интервью высказывания полномочного представителя России при ООН Виталия Чуркина. В эфир не попали призыв российского дипломата учитывать волю сирийского народа при разрешении сирийского кризиса, а также слова Чуркина о сирийской оппозиции.

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Originally Posted by Eric C.

The Syrians themselves want neither the dictatorial bastard nor jihadists. They want some peace and civilization. They probably want their country to become something like the U.K. or Sweden some day. (Deleted. L.)

Well in that case, let them get there themselves, like the UK did, and like Sweden did.
Neither country was occupied or had civil wars that anybody else interferred in.
Nobody came and told the UK or Sweden how to do democracy (to the extent that it exists in either country). We figured it out ourselves, and it took a long time.

You are absolutely speculating and I think it varies a lot what they want. Some there are Moslems, and might prefer "Sharia", others might be happy with the "Baath" philosophy of Assad, which is apparently a mix of socialism, market economy and moderate Islam. They have both branches of Islam there. Some are Orthodox Christian and might have other preferences.

If you look at the EU today, it is NOT a model for a lot of people. Do you really think these Moslems and faithful Christians, admire teenage pregnancies, gang rapes, gay pride parades, out-of-control teenagers, unemployment and sink estate gangster culture that's rampant in Europe today?
It's not admired by the Chinese, by most Russians and even millions of people in the EU itself, just for starters.

Originally Posted by Hanna

If you look at the EU today, it is NOT a model for a lot of people. Do you really think these Moslems and faithful Christians, admire teenage pregnancies, gang rapes, gay pride parades, out-of-control teenagers, unemployment and sink estate gangster culture that's rampant in Europe today?
It's not admired by the Chinese, by most Russians and even millions of people in the EU itself, just for starters.

What I don't admire is someone telling other people what to do. I don't care what parades one person is attending, or what age another person chooses to get pregnant. If that's what they want - fine, who am I to tell them they're "wrong"? My religion tells me not to mess with other people's lives. I'm not sure what yours tells you...