Thread: The crisis in Syria

"Нет войне!" was correct

McCain feels a ‘little lonely’ because nobody wants to attack Syria | The Raw Story

Poor Senator John McCain feels "lonely" because no one else wants to bomb Syria.

D.Bykov, Russian poet:

На фоне жуликов, воров
И скалозубых технократов
У нас имеется Лавров –
Спаситель Сирии и Штатов.

Syria: 'Bashar al-Assad ordered me to gas people - but I could not do it' - Telegraph

Gen Sakat said the regime wanted to "annihilate" the opposition using any means, and said he received his first orders to use chemical weapons in October last year. On three occasions, he said he was told to use a mixture of phosgene and two other chlorine-based agents against civilian targets in Sheikh Masqeen, Herak, and Busra, all rebel-held districts.

However, under cover of darkness, he said he had replaced the canisters containing the chemicals with ones containing water mixed with dilute bleach which would give off a similar chlorine smell.

At first, his trick worked. "They were completely convinced that this was the same poisonous material," he told the Sunday Telegraph in an interview. "In this way I saved hundreds of lives of children and others."

But after the third occasion, in January, his bosses became suspicious at the lack of deaths in his "attacks" and he began to plot his escape to Jordan, where he has been based since the spring.

Originally Posted by Eric C.

Syria: 'Bashar al-Assad ordered me to gas people - but I could not do it' - Telegraph

Убедительнее ничего нет?
Статейки, газетёнки...
Беглый генерал не сразу, а именно сейчас "вспомнил" о приказе того, кого он предал.
Напечатали это британские СМИ, в то время как свидетель Пьер Пиччинин да Прата говорит о британском следе в этой истории применения химического оружия.

U.S., Russia Agree On Syria U.N. Chemical Arms Measure

U.S., Russia Agree On Syria U.N. Chemical Arms Measure

A U.S. State Department official hailed the deal as a "breakthrough."

"The Russians have agreed to support a strong, binding and enforceable resolution that unites the pressure and focus of the international community on the Syrian regime to ensure the elimination of Syria's chemical weapons," the official said.

Diplomats from the permanent Security Council members - China, Russia, the United States, France and Britain - had been haggling over the details of a resolution to back the American-Russian accord announced on Sept. 14 in Geneva to eliminate Syria's chemical weapons.

Assad agreed to destroy Syria's chemical weapons amid an international outcry over a sarin gas strike in the suburbs of Damascus last month - the world's deadliest chemical attack in 25 years.

The resolution also says that troops can be brought in, if there are any difficulties in getting Assad to comply with destruction of chemical weapons.

Russia earlier offered its own troops to safeguard and ensure destruction. If US decides to send some troops of its own, this could even turn into a joint US/Russian military peacekeeping action.

Russia has also stated that any chemicals under control of the rebels should also be destroyed, but I don't know where the US ended up on that negotiation, or if it fell through the cracks. It does appear that US officials have backed down on some of their initial demands, in the interest of finding agreement with Russia.

Overall, I think this is a positive development.

UN Syria Resolution to Cite Military Option – Report | World | RIA Novosti

Here is RIA Novosti's coverage of the resolution and the "military option" which was cited:

A United Nations Security Council resolution on eliminating Syria’s chemical weapons will refer to – but not automatically trigger – military action to enforce Syria’s compliance with a US-Russian deal to destroy its arsenal, The Associated Press (AP) cited a Russian diplomat as saying Wednesday.

Well, it owns that they finally agreed on a solution for Assad's chemical weapons but that won't help if they don't get the chemical weapons away from the rebels too. It only fixes half the problem.

I agree 100%. I am glad that the original rebels have split away from the jihadists though. Not sure how this will change the US stance if at all.
Personally I'd be happy if all the countries in that region had to give up their chemical weapons.
The idea that such weapons even exist nauseates and disgusts me.
Then again, I live in a country with a cache of nuclear arms so vast we could wipe out the world several times over.
It is the sad reality we all live in today.

Originally Posted by Deborski

I agree 100%. I am glad that the original rebels have split away from the jihadists though. Not sure how this will change the US stance if at all.
Personally I'd be happy if all the countries in that region had to give up their chemical weapons.
The idea that such weapons even exist nauseates and disgusts me.
Then again, I live in a country with a cache of nuclear arms so vast we could wipe out the world several times over.
It is the sad reality we all live in today.

Yeah, and our country still has 3,188 of the 31,100 metric tons of chemical weapons that the UN said had to be destroyed by 2012. Now they wanna extend it to 2021 and President Bush rejected the verification process.
That needs to change cause having chemical weapons is NOT cool.
United States and weapons of mass destruction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But there's good news too! Most of Assad's chemical weapons aren't even weaponized yet so they can be neutralized fast.
Most of Syria’s toxins can be destroyed more easily than officials initially thought - The Washington Post

And yeah, it's cool that the rebels split from the Al Nusra fighters but the Al Nusra = 75% of the rebel fighters. And in that last article I'm posting, even the U.S. admits that the opposition coulda stolen some of those chemical weapons. But the Al Nusra fighters probably already got chemical weapons from Saudi Arabia anyway.
Well, at least the refugees are getting some good support from the Lebanese Prime Minister. He's calling on UN member states to send aid to help them out.
Lebanon engulfed by tide of Syrian refugees | euronews, world news

Порядка 70 офтопиковых постов перенесены в две отдельные темы:

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They didn't even kill each other in large numbers until somebody armed the opposition and started giving them logistic and PR support.

Ссылка на статью.

Причиной вспышки полиомиелита в Сирии являются джихадисты из Пакистана... К суннитским повстанцам, воюющим против режима президента Башара Асада, присоединились тысячи иностранных боевиков. В их числе и исламисты из Пакистана. В 2013г. лишь три страны (Афганистан, Нигерия и Пакистан) в мире остаются эндемичными по полиомиелиту.Несколько дней назад Всемирная организация здравоохранения подтвердила предположения о вспышке полиомиелита в Сирии с помощью лабораторного анализа взятых проб. Из 22 зафиксированных случаев 10 - подтверждены, результаты относительно 12 станут известны после завершения исследований. Пробы были взяты в районе г.Дейр эль-Зор на северо-востоке Сирии недалеко от иракской границы. В группе риска находятся более 100 тыс. детей в регионе

45 Orthodox Christians in Syria massacred by the terrorists, "freedom fighters".

I wonder if my tax money to Her Majesty's Government paid for the weapons that they used?

The Tablet - 45 Syrian Christians massacred

It's interesting because those who are really egging on the fanaticism and the religious warfare are not the Syrians, but jihadists from the surrounding countries who have poured in. At least that is what my Syrian friend tells me. Before all of the warmongers came in, christians and muslims in Syria did not have this level of hostility. I saw an article about this in RT the other day as well, and my Syrian friend said it was spot on.

Originally Posted by Deborski

It's interesting because those who are really egging on the fanaticism and the religious warfare are not the Syrians, but jihadists from the surrounding countries who have poured in. At least that is what my Syrian friend tells me. Before all of the warmongers came in, christians and muslims in Syria did not have this level of hostility. I saw an article about this in RT the other day as well, and my Syrian friend said it was spot on.

I just saw the earlier quote from you, about Saudi trying to BRIBE the entire nation of Russia to drop Syria completely, and get some sweet oil deals.
It's a good thing Russia has oil of its own and enough integrity as a nation to decline.

Russia's intervention re the chemical weapons was really impressive.
This might just be the first time in 25 years that the USA faces a nation that can't be brainwashed, bought off, intimidated or ignored as the US pursues its agenda of global domination and picking off anyone who is not willing to be a vassal state one by one. Russia took a lot of flack for it, but it didn't really budge at all and I applaud that. Bashar Al Assad may not be a saint, but as leaders in the Arab world go, I would give him 8/10, and just like in Libya it's a case of "better the devil you know" for the population - total chaos, sectarian war and Western imperialism - or somebody like Assad - try to find an unbiased source and you'll find that he was trying to modernise and bring about social justice while keeping all religions happy. Really you can do a lot worse.

Compare with the vulgar, medieval types that run Saudi while beating their servants, treating their wives as their property, stoning people alive and running the whole country like a medieval monarchy. Not my business but if somebody should complain about regimes in the Middle East it's beyond comprehension that a modern, moderate and enlightened leader like Al-Assad is targetted and the regimes in Saudi and Bahrain are ignored.

The Syrians themselves want neither the dictatorial bastard nor jihadists. They want some peace and civilization. They probably want their country to become something like the U.K. or Sweden some day. (Deleted. L.)

Originally Posted by Eric C.

The Syrians themselves want neither the dictatorial bastard nor jihadists. They want some peace and civilization. They probably want their country to become something like the U.K. or Sweden some day. (Deleted. L.)

Well in that case, let them get there themselves, like the UK did, and like Sweden did.
Neither country was occupied or had civil wars that anybody else interferred in.
Nobody came and told the UK or Sweden how to do democracy (to the extent that it exists in either country). We figured it out ourselves, and it took a long time.

You are absolutely speculating and I think it varies a lot what they want. Some there are Moslems, and might prefer "Sharia", others might be happy with the "Baath" philosophy of Assad, which is apparently a mix of socialism, market economy and moderate Islam. They have both branches of Islam there. Some are Orthodox Christian and might have other preferences.

If you look at the EU today, it is NOT a model for a lot of people. Do you really think these Moslems and faithful Christians, admire teenage pregnancies, gang rapes, gay pride parades, out-of-control teenagers, unemployment and sink estate gangster culture that's rampant in Europe today?
It's not admired by the Chinese, by most Russians and even millions of people in the EU itself, just for starters.

Originally Posted by Hanna

If you look at the EU today, it is NOT a model for a lot of people. Do you really think these Moslems and faithful Christians, admire teenage pregnancies, gang rapes, gay pride parades, out-of-control teenagers, unemployment and sink estate gangster culture that's rampant in Europe today?
It's not admired by the Chinese, by most Russians and even millions of people in the EU itself, just for starters.

What I don't admire is someone telling other people what to do. I don't care what parades one person is attending, or what age another person chooses to get pregnant. If that's what they want - fine, who am I to tell them they're "wrong"? My religion tells me not to mess with other people's lives. I'm not sure what yours tells you...