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    Russia went on war alert over missile test

    Here is a clear example of Russia showing commendable restraint. A few days ago, US-Israeli forces launched a cruise missile from one of their warships in the Mediterranean.

    Fortunately the launch was just a test. Unfortunately, US-Israeli forces did not think to WARN anyone ahead of time. So when the launch was picked up on Russian radar, it was perceived as a preemptive strike against Syria and President Putin was immediately notified. Thankfully for everyone in the world, cooler heads prevailed and no retaliatory action was taken.

    WASHINGTON – Just as the Syrian crisis was getting under way, a joint U.S.-Israeli test of an anti-missile system prompted the Russian General Staff to go on “high alert” and notify President Vladimir Putin that missiles may be incoming on Syria.

    The reason: Neither the United States nor Israel bothered to notify Russia that the Sept. 2 test was going on in the Mediterranean near Syria.

    Moscow’s response was immediate.

    The Russian General Staff thought Israel had launched a preemptive attack on Syria in the eastern Mediterranean which some Russian officials said could have led to World War III.

    When the truth came out about the unannounced anti-missile test, Russian Deputy Defense Minister Anatoly Antonov criticized Israel for undertaking such a launch during a crisis occurring in the neighboring country of Syria.

    Referring to the Mediterranean region as a “powder keg,” Antonov warned that anything such as an unannounced missile test could explode into war.

    “A match is enough for fire to break out and possibly spread not only to neighboring states but to other world regions as well,” Anotov said. “I remind you that the Mediterranean is close to the borders of the Russian Federation.”

    If the situation had been reversed, and a Russian ship had launched a missile without telling anyone it was a "test" - how do you think the US would have responded? America has a reputation for being trigger happy, so my answer is that we very well might have reacted without waiting to find out what had really happened. I would hope that the US would show the same level of restraint, but who knows?

    Interestingly, this story has not been given any play in US media, although I saw several Russian news stories about the test launch being picked up on Russian radar, very shortly after it happened.
    Вот потому, что вы говорите то, что не думаете, и думаете то, что не думаете, вот в клетках и сидите. И вообще, весь этот горький катаклизм, который я здесь наблюдаю, и Владимир Николаевич тоже…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deborski View Post
    Interestingly, this story has not been given any play in US media, although I saw several Russian news stories about the test launch being picked up on Russian radar, very shortly after it happened.
    I believe when I saw it on the news, they were saying that Russia asked the US first and the US has denied any knowledge about the launch but after Israel admitted that it was their rocket the US said that it was mutual operation. What a shame for the country, I guess some US officials never got out of a high school.

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/12/op...f=opinion&_r=0

    This open letter to the American people by Russian President Vladimir Putin was posted in the New York Times today.

    Excerpt:

    No one doubts that poison gas was used in Syria. But there is every reason to believe it was used not by the Syrian Army, but by opposition forces, to provoke intervention by their powerful foreign patrons, who would be siding with the fundamentalists. Reports that militants are preparing another attack — this time against Israel — cannot be ignored.

    It is alarming that military intervention in internal conflicts in foreign countries has become commonplace for the United States. Is it in America’s long-term interest? I doubt it. Millions around the world increasingly see America not as a model of democracy but as relying solely on brute force, cobbling coalitions together under the slogan “you’re either with us or against us.”

    But force has proved ineffective and pointless. Afghanistan is reeling, and no one can say what will happen after international forces withdraw. Libya is divided into tribes and clans. In Iraq the civil war continues, with dozens killed each day. In the United States, many draw an analogy between Iraq and Syria, and ask why their government would want to repeat recent mistakes.

    No matter how targeted the strikes or how sophisticated the weapons, civilian casualties are inevitable, including the elderly and children, whom the strikes are meant to protect.

    The world reacts by asking: if you cannot count on international law, then you must find other ways to ensure your security. Thus a growing number of countries seek to acquire weapons of mass destruction. This is logical: if you have the bomb, no one will touch you. We are left with talk of the need to strengthen nonproliferation, when in reality this is being eroded.

    We must stop using the language of force and return to the path of civilized diplomatic and political settlement.
    Вот потому, что вы говорите то, что не думаете, и думаете то, что не думаете, вот в клетках и сидите. И вообще, весь этот горький катаклизм, который я здесь наблюдаю, и Владимир Николаевич тоже…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deborski View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/12/op...f=opinion&_r=0
    This open letter to the American people by Russian President Vladimir Putin was posted in the New York Times today.
    Excerpt:
    Читаю комментарии американцев к статье Путина. Весьма познавательно.
    Часто встречается: "Кто ты такой?! Сам дурак!"
    С таким общественным мнением трудно быть лучше, чем Обама.
    Я вот думаю, можно ли изменить общественное мнение США или это невозможно? Мнение страны обладает огромной инерцией. Причём, они долго живут сказками. Новаую информацию воспринимают только тогда, когда её можно как-то пристроить в давно сформированную сказочную картину мира.
    Большинство чувствует правоту слов Путина, но они входят в противоречие с тем, что они знали до этого (мифы о России) и поэтому новая информация отторгается психикой. Вот если будет доказано, что химию применили боевики, а не армия Асада, то это может немного помочь словам Путина пробить дорогу на Запад.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Юрка View Post
    Читаю комментарии американцев к статье Путина. Весьма познавательно.
    Часто встречается: "Кто ты такой?! Сам дурак!"
    С таким общественным мнением трудно быть лучше, чем Обама.
    Я вот думаю, можно ли изменить общественное мнение США или это невозможно? Мнение страны обладает огромной инерцией. Причём, они долго живут сказками. Новаую информацию воспринимают только тогда, когда её можно как-то пристроить в давно сформированную сказочную картину мира.
    Большинство чувствует правоту слов Путина, но они входят в противоречие с тем, что они знали до этого (мифы о России) и поэтому новая информация отторгается психикой. Вот если будет доказано, что химию применили боевики, а не армия Асада, то это может немного помочь словам Путина пробить дорогу на Запад.

    Ну, по моему, большинство людей его не любят, и по-этому они не читают его слова. Наверное, они слишком много смотрели фильм "Red Dawn" когда они были молодыми и помогать им нельзя. Но, есть люди, кто умеют думать и читать, и я даже видела где они сказали, "Путин прав" и "Путин умный" и так далее. Лично, я не люблю законы против геев (как Вы уже знаете), но всё равно я согласна с Путином как касается Сирии. Только мне кажется, что вообще люди не знают, как разделить вопросы, так что они думают "Путин против геев, по-этому он не может делать ничего хорошего" или что-то так. Не знаю точно, как они думают, потому-что я не такая как они. По-моему, Путин иногда прав, а иногда не прав, и всё. Надеюсь, что это понятно.
    Вот потому, что вы говорите то, что не думаете, и думаете то, что не думаете, вот в клетках и сидите. И вообще, весь этот горький катаклизм, который я здесь наблюдаю, и Владимир Николаевич тоже…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doomer View Post
    Как и все люди
    Политик должен думать прежде всего об интересах страны. Прав он или нет, это понятие растяжимое, нельзя понравится всем
    Ну, вот. Tеперь мы согласны! Что делать?
    Вот потому, что вы говорите то, что не думаете, и думаете то, что не думаете, вот в клетках и сидите. И вообще, весь этот горький катаклизм, который я здесь наблюдаю, и Владимир Николаевич тоже…

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    While President Putin was making plans to remove the chemical weapons, Obama was arming the rebels (no, I didn't forget to add 'president' to his name but he has been arming the rebels and that means Al-Qaeda too - now that I know about it, I don't respect him).
    CIA begins weapons delivery to Syrian rebels - The Washington Post

    Obama claims that the weapons can be tracked so Al-Qaeda doesn't get them. Yeah, right! Like someone could go to Al-Qaeda and get them back! I don't even think so.
    If Al-Qaeda gets any of those weapons, then Obama is a traitor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UhOhXplode View Post
    While President Putin was making plans to remove the chemical weapons, Obama was arming the rebels (no, I didn't forget to add 'president' to his name but he has been arming the rebels and that means Al-Qaeda too - now that I know about it, I don't respect him).
    CIA begins weapons delivery to Syrian rebels - The Washington Post

    Obama claims that the weapons can be tracked so Al-Qaeda doesn't get them. Yeah, right! Like someone could go to Al-Qaeda and get them back! I don't even think so.
    If Al-Qaeda gets any of those weapons, then Obama is a traitor.
    I saw that and it made me furious. How can arming the US arming the rebels in any way help the diplomatic efforts by Russia to disarm Assad? This is why the Russians accuse Washington DC of sending mixed messages. It does.

    No idea how this is going to turn out.
    Вот потому, что вы говорите то, что не думаете, и думаете то, что не думаете, вот в клетках и сидите. И вообще, весь этот горький катаклизм, который я здесь наблюдаю, и Владимир Николаевич тоже…

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    Russia is really doing well in terms of foreign policy lately, isn't it?!

    The way the Snowden issue was handled was really smart, diplomatically. They managed to do the right thing, while simultaneously downplaying its role, and impressing everybody who admired Snowden (quite a few people in America, Europe and elsewhere).

    Now, Russia made a constructive and helpful suggestion that is actually accepted by Syria and obviously would solve any international concerns, if it could be implemented properly.

    Well done Lavrov - he's a very sharp politician and diplomat, isn't he?

    Russia is definitely "winning friends and influencing people" on the international scene... People need to remember that at the end of the day, the USA is only ONE country. The loyalties of other countries are not set in stone. 10 more years of American aggressiveness and Russian top class diplomacy, and opinions may really have changed among regular people across the world.

    Keep up the good work, Russia!

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    Although I rather support Putin's actions in Snowden and Syria cases, I'm far from believing that he is doing this because he is such a good guy. He needs popularity and support all over the world for very cynical reason: he and his buddies have their families living in Europe and USA, keep their money there, their children are getting education there, they have real estate there etc. They just using Russia as a "milk cow" to gain their well-being, but are planning to live elsewhere. They don't plan in any way becoming an outcasts like North-Korean elite. So some international PR suits their interests very well.
    Please, correct my mistakes, except for the cases I misspell something on purpose!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Basil77 View Post
    Although I rather support Putin's actions in Snowden and Syria cases, I'm far from believing that he is doing this because he is such a good guy. He needs popularity and support all over the world for very cynical reason: he and his buddies have their families living in Europe and USA, keep their money there, their children are getting education there, they have real estate there etc. They just using Russia as a "milk cow" to gain their well-being, but are planning to live elsewhere. They don't plan in any way becoming an outcasts like North-Korean elite. So some international PR suits their interests very well.
    Hehehe. I don't think Putin is a "good guy" or a "bad guy." I think he is a politician and the leader of one of the greatest nations in the world. I do not envy that responsibility, and I do not envy Obama's role either. Both of them are going to do what they can to appeal to their constituents. We can only hope that they try to appeal to the INTELLIGENT constituents rather then the troglodytes in both of our countries.
    Вот потому, что вы говорите то, что не думаете, и думаете то, что не думаете, вот в клетках и сидите. И вообще, весь этот горький катаклизм, который я здесь наблюдаю, и Владимир Николаевич тоже…

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    Вот потому, что вы говорите то, что не думаете, и думаете то, что не думаете, вот в клетках и сидите. И вообще, весь этот горький катаклизм, который я здесь наблюдаю, и Владимир Николаевич тоже…

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    CIA begins weapons delivery to Syrian rebels - The Washington Post

    Even as Russian officials are working with Assad to eliminate Syria's stockpile of chemical weapons, the US is overtly delivering arms to insurgents in that country, according to this article in the Washington Post:

    The CIA has begun delivering weapons to rebels in Syria, ending months of delay in lethal aid that had been promised by the Obama administration, according to U.S. officials and Syrian figures. The shipments began streaming into the country over the past two weeks, along with separate deliveries by the State Department of vehicles and other gear — a flow of material that marks a major escalation of the U.S. role in Syria’s civil war.

    The arms shipments, which are limited to light weapons and other munitions that can be tracked, began arriving in Syria at a moment of heightened tensions over threats by President Obama to order missile strikes to punish the regime of Bashar al-Assad for his alleged use of chemical weapons in a deadly attack near Damascus last month
    Not everyone in America agrees with this policy, however. Congressman Dennis Kucinich has been outspoken against supplying the rebels with arms, which may fall into the hands of jihadists, despite reassurances from the Obama administration that the weapons can be "tracked."

    kucinich.bluestatedigital.com | TELL CONGRESS: STAND FOR AMERICA - VOTE NO TO ANY ATTACK ON SYRIA

    A Pew Research Center poll also reveals that 70% of Americans oppose arming the insurgency, according to another Washington Post article:

    Americans clearly against arming Syrian rebels, even after ‘red line’ crossed, polls show

    The United States is moving to arm Syrian rebels following White House confirmation that the Syrian government used chemical weapons on its own people, but the American people aren't on-board, according to new polls.

    A new Pew Research Center poll shows 70 percent of Americans oppose sending arms to the opposition groups, while a new Gallup poll shows 54 percent oppose the Obama administration's decision, compared to 37 percent who support it.

    Opposition in the Pew poll is actually higher than ever before in the two-year-old civil war. And that's even as much of the poll was conducted after the White House announced Thursday that the Syrian government had crossed the "red line" and used chemical weapons.

    But while the red line was significant to the White House, it doesn't seem to have altered the perceptions of the American people.
    Вот потому, что вы говорите то, что не думаете, и думаете то, что не думаете, вот в клетках и сидите. И вообще, весь этот горький катаклизм, который я здесь наблюдаю, и Владимир Николаевич тоже…

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    Вот потому, что вы говорите то, что не думаете, и думаете то, что не думаете, вот в клетках и сидите. И вообще, весь этот горький катаклизм, который я здесь наблюдаю, и Владимир Николаевич тоже…

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    Good news, as of this morning we are all still alive and have not blown each other to smithereens.

    Russia, US Agree Syria Chemical Weapons Deal in Geneva | Russia | RIA Novosti

    In fact, US Secretary of State John Kerry appears to be on a first-name basis with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov. They have reached an agreement regarding how to go about destroying Syria's stockpile of chemical weapons.
    Вот потому, что вы говорите то, что не думаете, и думаете то, что не думаете, вот в клетках и сидите. И вообще, весь этот горький катаклизм, который я здесь наблюдаю, и Владимир Николаевич тоже…

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    A more gruesome reality which we must not forget is still going on...

    http://lightbox.time.com/2013/09/12/...ter-cruelty/#1

    This is a TIME photographer's personal account of an execution he witnessed in Syria, performed by the "Free Syrian Army." I warn you, the images in the link above are graphic and horrifying. The description to follow is also very hard to stomach, and the photographer witnessed not just one, but DOZENS of executions that day:

    I saw a scene of utter cruelty: a human being treated in a way that no human being should ever be treated. But it seems to me that in two and a half years, the war has degraded people’s humanity. On this day the people at the execution had no control over their feelings, their desires, their anger. It was impossible to stop them.

    I don’t know how old the victim was but he was young. He was forced to his knees. The rebels around him read out his crimes from a sheet of paper. They stood around him. The young man was on his knees on the ground, his hands tied. He seemed frozen.

    Two rebels whispered something into his ear and the young man replied in an innocent and sad manner, but I couldn’t understand what he said because I don’t speak Arabic.

    At the moment of execution the rebels grasped his throat. The young man put up a struggle. Three or four rebels pinned him down. The man tried to protect his throat with his hands, which were still tied together. He tried to resist but they were stronger than he was and they cut his throat. They raised his head into the air. People waved their guns and cheered. Everyone was happy that the execution had gone ahead.


    It should be noted that TIME Magazine never ran this story and never published the photos. The story has only been picked up by "alternative" media.
    Вот потому, что вы говорите то, что не думаете, и думаете то, что не думаете, вот в клетках и сидите. И вообще, весь этот горький катаклизм, который я здесь наблюдаю, и Владимир Николаевич тоже…

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    While the majority of Americans cheer the agreement reached by US Secretary of State John Kerry and Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, US Senator John McCain criticizes it as "weakness" and stands by his contention that prolonged military involvement in Syria is the best way to go.


    John McCain, Lindsey Graham Criticize Syria Deal: 'An Act Of Provocative Weakness'

    "It requires a willful suspension of disbelief to see this agreement as anything other than the start of a diplomatic blind alley, and the Obama administration is being led into it by Bashar Assad and (Russian President) Vladimir Putin," the senators said.
    Вот потому, что вы говорите то, что не думаете, и думаете то, что не думаете, вот в клетках и сидите. И вообще, весь этот горький катаклизм, который я здесь наблюдаю, и Владимир Николаевич тоже…

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    There has been plenty of Russian participation in the thread earlier. Maybe it's just the weekend and they have other things to do, than talk about Syria? *shrug*
    Вот потому, что вы говорите то, что не думаете, и думаете то, что не думаете, вот в клетках и сидите. И вообще, весь этот горький катаклизм, который я здесь наблюдаю, и Владимир Николаевич тоже…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deborski View Post
    Ужасная шутка

    Но я согласна, что Америка стала хулиганом. Мне это совсем не нравится. Вообще, (простые) американцы ненавидят это тоже. Мы громко говорим "НЕТ ВОЙНЕ", но руководители не слушают. Что делать? Революция нужна? (Нужна революция?) Я не знаю...
    "Нет войны" means "There is no war".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus View Post
    "Нет войны" means "There is no war".
    I meant to say "No (to) war!" - so I guess "Нет войну!" would be better?
    Вот потому, что вы говорите то, что не думаете, и думаете то, что не думаете, вот в клетках и сидите. И вообще, весь этот горький катаклизм, который я здесь наблюдаю, и Владимир Николаевич тоже…

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