Thanks for the reply. These V/F cognates, damn, I've been practicing them for all that time I was silent, because I really felt that I pronounced them horribly. Yet I didn't get the hang of these sounds. I suppose I have to get back to them now. It's just like they drive me insane, flip my lid, especially this unvoiced F. Damn, it's like I've just been hitting my head against the wall for all that time without getting anything but big swollen bruises. Heh, let me stop deluding myself, I have to get back to everything