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@ hanna; you are right.... no need to dwell om the past too much , got carried away a little.... better to look forward

@ Serge
counted they may be - i give you that.
but accounted for -many are not (esp where half-foreigners) were imvolved

hanna, i know you are very knowledgable and i respect you for that. but it appears to me your opinion on the ussr was largely formed post 1970. yes the austrians did those things during the war, but...

I am not confusing them - the EU is based on democratic principles more so than most other places.

If you cannot agree that Austria is a more democratic place than what the USSR was; than...

in my opinion - despite some shortcomings - the level of democracy in most European countries is still head and shoulders above most other places around the world.
i would hardly call it an...

@ Hanna;
i remember my mother in the 1980's telling us about the Khmer Rouge (we we children then). So if she knew - living in a remote area of a remote country (then South West Africa) without any...

i was always fascinated by the Khmer Rouge - as I could not comprehend how people can so cruelly kill their own.
the stories about Tuol Sleng camp are horrendous - basically you had zero chance...

@ Uhohxplode
i do not understand why you keep on complaining about Obama...
for you it is the 2nd best government in the world (just behind Russia) - so surely they cannot be that bad.

you are...

giving something back that did not belong to them in the first place is a completely different story...

But SergeMak, i respect that you have a different view; in your response you raise many...

very poor analogy; the Crimea and NovoRossiya were not loaned to the Ukraine; there were gifted/donated to them by decision of Russia's ruling powers. And since when does 'not returning a gift'...

на мой взгляд, разница между 'German unification' и 'Crimea situation' большой.
но, думаю что должно быть другая тема.

[i'd be happy to contribute to a debate around this, but as this detracts...

@ Serge, I was talking about 'disdain being dished out', not anything else

@ SergeMak
the 'disdain' you feel Russia is the victim off, is no worse or better than the one dished out to many others; eg North Korea, USA (many criticise the USA just as much as Russia), Germany...

I am against this type of either/or (for/against) approach; it tends to prevent reasonable debate. When categorized in either group, any argument (even a valid one) you might bring is somewhat...