Thread: privjet, friends

While it is true that most people do get disappointed when they come to Russia, they learn to love it in a new and very real way. Those who don't, well, they either perish or run away.

But that shouldn't be a deterrent of being curious and wanting to go. Like any imagined experience, it will be very different when you do it. Puberty, virginity, need I say more?

See, that's what people
don't understand.
I know Russia is nothing like America.
I understand it's going to be hellish
to get over there and difficult to reside
there permanently.
I don't see this as fun and games.
It's really what I want.
Russia is no myth in my mind;
it has a violent history (as every country does)
and is an aggressive nation.
It's not tolerant the way America
is and I'm going to have a hard time of it.
I know this and I accept it.
I expect disappointment, at least in some
aspects.
But I'll be somewhere I want to be.

and is an aggressive nation

Who told you that?

Russians have never been "an aggressive nation". It seems like you've heard too much about the "Russian agression"...
The Russian nation is quite peace loving. We always lived in harmony with many nations. Some of them entered into the Russian Empire of their own free will (like Georgia, by the way).
As for the Russian conquests, like Tatarstan, the Central Asia, and others - they are conquests of tsars. It's normal, all the rulers in all coutries were alike, and it doesn't mean that the nation is agressive. The tipical Russian мужик has a very patient character. And the nation has always been very patient.

We are strong (the State is strong), but we are not agressive. It's not the same.

It seems like you really know few about the country which, or rather whose politics, you "love".

Originally Posted by Оля

and is an aggressive nation

Who told you that?

Russians have never been "an aggressive nation". It seems like you've heard too much about the "Russian agression"...
The Russian nation is quite peace loving. We always lived in harmony with many nations. Some of them entered into the Russian Empire of their own free will (like Georgia, by the way).
As for the Russian conquests, like Tatarstan, the Central Asia, and others - they are conquests of tsars. It's normal, all the rulers in all coutries were alike, and it doesn't mean that the nation is agressive. The tipical Russian мужик has a very patient character. And the nation has always been very patient.

We are strong (the State is strong), but we are not agressive. It's not the same.

It seems like you really know few about the country which, or rather whose politics, you "love".

No one told me that.
The current expansionism
of their borders is proof enough.
Georgia was wrong
to have entered into a conflict with Russia,
but the ideal still stands that yours is
not a country to be toyed with.
Unlike America, who can be run
in circles and circles until they're
too confused to know what to do.
Perhaps bad wording on my part;
I don't see it as a negative thing,
just to be clear.

Well. Quite the contrary to TATY, I built up Russia in my heard for nearly 4 years and when I finally went there it was freaking awesome and it was everything I thought and more.

I love every minute I'm there and I never EVER look forward to leaving.

But, for a few reasons, I don't think I'd like to live there right now. Possibly in the near future but I've been away from America too long and right now I miss the US the most. When I came to England I couldn't wait to get out of America, but now I just want to go home (But i guess not that badly because I always go to Russia instead of going back to the US.)

And Olya, Aggressive doesn't always mean violent (though he did say violent).
You can aggressively persue just about anything. But thats a little beside the point.

Anyway, I don't understand why we are attacking and discouraging ol Danny boy here anyways. I mean, he probably expected us to be warm and welcoming.

Why discourage him from learning Russian? What's the point?

And by the way, Russia is far from "hellish". Well unless you go to the dirty south.

Well anyways, Danny boy. Don't get discouraged. Russia is awesome and if you stick to it, I'm sure it will be everything you hope for.

Most all the cities still have a Lenin statue, and everyone has a Lenin street. That's your thing isn't it? You won't be disapointed!!

Originally Posted by Danka

The current expansionism of their borders is proof enough.

You're a product of CNN and White House propaganda.

There'is no expansionism either of the border, nor of the borders.

You don't know even approximately what happened there. At least because you are not able to read in Russian what eye-witnesses say about it. And I doubt that American channels will be in hurry to tell Americans the truth. Do you know that they showed ruins in Tskhinval, but said it was the georgian town Gori?
Do you know that when the people who were running from Tskhinval to North Ossetia met Russian tanks, they were crying to Russian soldiers: "You're traitors! Why didn't you come earlier??"

Saving peaceful people is not an agression. Maybe it's a breaking of the international law, but it's not an agression, guy.

I am a product of neither, Оля.
I loathe all American media.
I attempted to discover Russian news
that I could read, and those newspapers
outlined exactly what you're saying.
I never said I was against that.
Please, listen to me.
The terms I use are American, yes,
but I'm trying to step away from that, Оля.

And by the way, to all of you,
I'm a girl.

To Dogboy: thanks.
I'll be sure to make Lenin a regular part
of my stay in Russia
I didn't mean Russia was hellish.
I mean the process; all the red tape.
Unlike America, where you can
just skip over the damn border and claim
asylum
Oh, and as for warm and welcoming, no
I didn't think that.
Haha, if I hadn't been met with any strife,
I would have been very surprised.

Danka, let me guess: your computer is an Asus EEE series notebook? Screen size is about 7-9 inches?

why do all
your messages
look like
this?

Originally Posted by Lt. Columbo

why do all
your messages
look like
this?

Let me guess... Blank verses? Like "The song of the Stormy Petrel".

Originally Posted by Оля

Originally Posted by Danka

The current expansionism of their borders is proof enough.

You're a product of CNN and White House propaganda.

There'is no expansionism either of the border, nor of the borders.

You don't know even approximately what happened there. At least because you are not able to read in Russian what eye-witnesses say about it. And I doubt that American channels will be in hurry to tell Americans the truth. Do you know that they showed ruins in Tskhinval, but said it was the georgian town Gori?

How do you know they said it was Gori but really showed pictures of Tskhinvali? Because you're press said so? So it's you press's word again our press's word, so

By the way, while American media is much more biases, European media while generally being on the Georgian side, did regularly portrayed the Russian / Ossetian point of view, for example the British newspaper the Guardian practicically from the start was saying it was all Georgia's fault for launching an attack on South Ossetia. Russian media only shows the extreme anti-western POV (i.e. CNN which you love quoting) in order to portray

Everything I've read / watched / listen in the Russian media is the same. Not only does it say the same thing.

Also regarding expansionism of the borders. The official Russian border hasn't changed, but Russian recognises Abkhazia and South Ossetia, the majority of both these republics have Russian passports, can freely travel in and out of Russia, and Russians can travel in and out of the regions, these two republics will have Russian military bases and Russian peacekeepers there, the Russian goverment is going to help them set up an infrastructure, civic institutions and naturally they will be similar to the Russian set up.... so yeh, the official border hasn't expanded, but the de facto border has / will. (I'm not saying this is wrong, if the majority of these regions want to be part of Russia / closely associated with Russian, then why not? They'll never integrate into Georgia, I'm just saying Russians should just admit what's going on).

The Russians trust their media too much ))) And they don't trust CNN )))

Lies are countered by other lies which in turn are countered by the third, and again and again.

It really doesn't matter whether Abkhasia or Ossetia are 'officially' recognized as independent. They've never been independent. Ever since the conflict in 1994 they became de-facto the part of Russia, like it or not, Russia has annexed these territories.
What's going on now is just paperwork. The hysteria about two Republics is just a reflection of Washington's policy towards Russia. The world lives and is ruled by so called double standards.
East and West are like Yin and Yang - two integral parts of the same thing. They're antagonists by its nature. It's not about democracy, human rights, it's not even about oil and pipelines. It just happens because people from both sides need an opposite to point their fingers at in order to 'know' what's good and what's bad. Russia and USA fit perfectly. Mentality, values, even the definitions of vices and virtues, to a degree, are different. There are much more differences between us than there are similarities. China would probably replace Russia in this game, but it's not the time yet.
East and West will always be antagonists yet they will always need each other.


OH, East is East, and West is West, and never the twain shall meet,
Till Earth and Sky stand presently at God’s great Judgment Seat;
But there is neither East nor West, Border, nor Breed, nor Birth,
When two strong men stand face to face, tho’ they come from the ends of the earth!
...

The Ballad of East and West
Rudyard Kipling

TATY, если ты считаешь возможным писать что-либо в ветке "Политика", потрудись найти время, чтобы прочитать, что тебе там отвечают. Пройди по ссылкам, например. Или например, ответь на пост про "всего 130" погибших.

The Russians trust their media too much

Рамиль, я не доверяю СМИ так уж слишком. Я читаю (и слушаю) рассказы очевидцев. Например, детей. Я не думаю, что наши СМИ заплатили десяткам местных жителей и особенно детям, чтобы они врали.
Что касается того фото "из Гори", я просто не думаю, что был бы какой-то смысл в том, чтобы отрицать, что это фото из Гори, если бы это была правда. Мы ведь действительно бомбили грузинскую территорию, и мы этого не отрицаем.

Thank you for educating me,
all of you.
I have come to this forum for two things:
cultural education and help with the Russian
language. I've begun to learn one of the two.
So, spaseeba.

I'm content being the forum idiot for however
long I need to be;
if the majority of you find me to be foolish,
that's your own opinion and I won't
disdain you for it.
I think I am done with this thread, however.
But please, continue.
I will find other places on this forum to post in.

Again, thanks!

Danka, you are now a privileged forumite here. You know it's a common habit of ours to test out the newbies. If they prove to be steadfast and willing to hang around, welcome to our small company.

So, don't be a stranger.

Originally Posted by Rtyom

You know it's a common habit of ours to test out the newbies. If they prove to be steadfast and willing to hang around, welcome to our small company.

Is it true that you test your newbies?? O_o

Originally Posted by kathryn

Is it true that you test your newbies?? O_o

No

Only those
who write
like this

Спасибо Богу! (и всем вам.)

Originally Posted by kathryn

Спасибо Богу! (и всем вам.)

Слава Богу!

хахахаха... Я думалa, что "слава Богу" является верным ...