Thread: Sochi Olympics and the Law against Gays in Russia +

Originally Posted by Lampada

Опять за рыбу гроши! Абсолютно невозможно сделать геем ребёнка, который не рождён геем. Нет такого! Нельзя предложить девочке влюбиться в девочку, если она не родилась геем. Хорошо помню имена мальчиков, в которых я была влюблена в детском садике (Миша Сухинин), в младших классах (Олег Леднёв). В старших классах ни в кого не была влюблена, потом в институте (Толя Серёдкин) и т.д. То же самое про мальчиков. Мой сын ребёнком отнёс все свои "сокровища" девочке из другого класса. Потом спрашивал, а что можно сделать, чтобы понравиться кому-то.
Так что этот закон - злонамеренная чушь. И последствия этого закона для детей-геев просто трагические.


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Did you even read my post? Or better say did you try to understand what I wrote? The law doesn't say that it's possible to make someone gay nor does it say that it's impossible. That just states that telling a juvenile to become gay is illegal. Can you ever try to abstract from your personal feelings when judging something or trying to prove something? As I said I wrote that text at my own risk to become hated and unpopular by who advocate gay rights here. So it seems that risk has come to pass. I'm so dissapointed. But please, take a look at my post again. Did I state there that I dissaprove/approve of gays? Well, it seems I didn't. What a pity.

Another time you're trying to strike personally and all you're based on is just your subjective believes. Can you provide any proof that it's 100% impossible to influence someone so that they somehow become gay? Or better yet do you have any proof that homosexuality is something you're born with? Oops, it seems you don't. And I tell you why. There is no such kinds of prooves yet. There might be but not now. And don't you try to tell me that all gays claim they were born gay. It's yet their own subjective opinions they might be sure of that but they might be deluded. Don't you think?

So without those kinds of prooves your statement is nothing but your personal opinion, which may or may not be true. So it doesn't give you any right to claim anything there

And for another time I see that you didn't really try to read into my post. Because the main statement there was under "first of all" and was about why it's ridiculous to boycott Sochi Olympics. It is not the thought that was conveyed with the most number of words, which is why you possibly didn't count it as the most important one, but it was definitely the gist of my post.

Please, don't let your personal judgement cloud your thinking. You're much better than that.

And I'm going out of here before people tear me apart for nothing. Good day

Originally Posted by iCake

The law doesn't say that it's possible to make someone gay nor does it say that it's impossible. That just states that telling a juvenile to become gay is illegal.

Really? Where does it say that? Here's the actual text of Part 1 and the beginning of part 2, as already posted by alexsms (the rest of the law details the different amounts of the fines, depending on the circumstances):

1. Пропаганда нетрадиционных сексуальных отношений среди несовершеннолетних, выразившаяся в распространении информации, направленной на формирование у несовершеннолетних нетрадиционных сексуальных установок, привлекательности нетрадиционных сексуальных отношений, искаженного представления о социальной равноценности традиционных и нетрадиционных сексуальных отношений, либо навязывание информации о нетрадиционных сексуальных отношениях, вызывающей интерес к таким отношениям, если эти действия не содержат уголовно наказуемого деяния, -влечет наложение административного штрафа на граждан в размере от четырех тысяч до пяти тысяч рублей; на должностных лиц - от сорока тысяч до пятидесяти тысяч рублей; на юридических лиц - от восьмисот тысяч до одного миллиона рублей либо административное приостановление деятельности на срок до девяноста суток.

2. Действия, предусмотренные частью 1 настоящей статьи, совершенные с применением средств массовой информации и (или) информационно-телекоммуникационных сетей (в том числе сети "Интернет"), если эти действия не содержат уголовно наказуемого деяния [...]

Where does it say ANYTHING about "telling a juvenile to become gay"? The law, if enforced as written, seemingly makes it illegal to publish a written opinion in a newspaper that gay people can lead happy, healthy, and psychologically well-adjusted lives. Because, presumably, the opinion that "gays can be happy" relates to the привлекательность нетрадиционных сексуальных отношений -- and ANYTHING published in a newspaper -- or posted to a non-pay website -- must be considered, in principle, доступно несовершеннолетним. As written, it comes close to the Orwellian concept of "thoughtcrime," since it prohibits the public expression of certain ideas.