Thread: Sochi Olympics and the Law against Gays in Russia +

Part of the reason gays seem like they are so prominent in media right now is because they are still in the process of gaining equality, even in western societies.

Of course they are. Where non-mixed pair competitions for figure skaters? Where men's competitions in Rhythmic gymnastics?

Why Western World keeps silence? Already in process of inventing proper costumes I guess?

As far as I remember, deputy Milonov from St Petersburg was among early proponents of anti-"gay propaganda" laws in Russia.
Many people ridiculed him on the Internet:





В этом городе-герое Ленинграде, Ленинграде
Из окна летят помои и бомжи в парадке гадят
А еще мы стадиона года ждем уже четыре
Говорят, что виноваты голубые

Из-за них недоедаем, из-за них болеют дети,
Мало Пушкина читаем - так написано в газете
Но защитник благородный есть на страже у морали
Победит кого угодно Виталий

Припев:
Милонов борется с геями - борется с гея...
Милонов борется с геями - борется!
Милонов борется с геями - борется с гея...
Милонов борется с геями - борется!

Было очень неспокойно на концерте у Мадонны
Говорят, что содомиты прорвались через кордоны
И плясали оголенно, не скрывая гениталий
Ах, хорошо, что в Ленинграде есть Виталий

Очень трудно нам, ребята, тяжело, друзья, живется
Даже в школьном амфитеатре про мужицкий секс поется
Даже радуга на небе намекает на плохое
А за ней еще и небо голубое!

Припев

Ты живи себе не парься, с мужиком не обнимайся
Моисеева не слушай - позабудь про revolution
Ты живи себе не парься, с мужиком не обнимайся
Моисеева не слушай - позабудь про revolution

Припев

Originally Posted by xdns

As far as I remember, deputy Milonov from St Petersburg was among early proponents of anti-"gay propaganda" laws in Russia.
Many people ridiculed him on the Internet:





В этом городе-герое Ленинграде, Ленинграде
Из окна летят помои и бомжи в парадке гадят
А еще мы стадиона года ждем уже четыре
Говорят, что виноваты голубые

Из-за них недоедаем, из-за них болеют дети,
Мало Пушкина читаем - так написано в газете
Но защитник благородный есть на страже у морали
Победит кого угодно Виталий

Припев:
Милонов борется с геями - борется с гея...
Милонов борется с геями - борется!
Милонов борется с геями - борется с гея...
Милонов борется с геями - борется!

Было очень неспокойно на концерте у Мадонны
Говорят, что содомиты прорвались через кордоны
И плясали оголенно, не скрывая гениталий
Ах, хорошо, что в Ленинграде есть Виталий

Очень трудно нам, ребята, тяжело, друзья, живется
Даже в школьном амфитеатре про мужицкий секс поется
Даже радуга на небе намекает на плохое
А за ней еще и небо голубое!

Припев

Ты живи себе не парься, с мужиком не обнимайся
Моисеева не слушай - позабудь про revolution
Ты живи себе не парься, с мужиком не обнимайся
Моисеева не слушай - позабудь про revolution

Припев

That's actually kinda funny... it sounds like it's making fun of the "gay propaganda laws" and making a statement that there are BIGGER ISSUES in Russia which people are being distracted from... to which I would agree. We have the same problem with different kinds of distractions in America too, which prevent us from discussing more important things. But certain populist issues will get people's patriotic fervor going and they will forget other problems real fast.

Can't help bringing this up: Gay-Pride Parade Sets Mainstream Acceptance Of Gays Back 50 Years
I think this sarcastic piece perfectly summarises feelings of ordinary heterosexual person about gay parades

Originally Posted by xdns

Can't help bringing this up: Gay-Pride Parade Sets Mainstream Acceptance Of Gays Back 50 Years
I think this sarcastic piece perfectly summarises feelings of ordinary heterosexual person about gay parades

Actually, that article was hilarious!

The parade, organized by the Los Angeles Gay And Lesbian And Bisexual And Transvestite And Transgender Alliance (LAGALABATATA), was intended to "promote acceptance, tolerance, and equality for the city's gay community." Just the opposite, however, was accomplished, as the event confirmed the worst fears of thousands of non-gay spectators, cementing in their minds a debauched and distorted image of gay life straight out of the most virulent right-wing hate literature.

Hahaha.... oh that's so true. That's why so many gays and lesbians in the US are tired of all this "over the top" wackiness. I actually think it offends them more than heteros these days, which may explain why the pride parades I've been to are nothing like those described here. I've never seen giant phallus floats or people waving dildos... ever... our pride parades were just people, walking down the street, carrying rainbow flags. Of course, I do not live in Los Angeles!

Now, my opinion about recent anti-"gay propaganda" laws in my country:

I think that our MPs, probably, have nothing more important to do.
So they have to make up these rubbish laws which criminalize so called "gay propaganda", insults of "religious feelings" etc.
They even suggested a law to ban Russian mat on the Internet (I wouldn't be surprised if they approve that law too)!
It is nothing but bigotry and cheap moralism.
Opposition speakers nicknamed current Duma as a "mad printer" because of these non-agenda laws.

I'm not very fond of gay parades as a heterosexual (they are just not my type of parades ).
I'm sceptical about gay "marriage", because I think it steals some special "olde" feeling about marriage as a union of woman and man. I do, however, support civil unions for gays.
I'm undecided about adoptions by gay couples. I think that traditional couples should at least have priority in this matter - because child can't choose by himself and should be given a chance to end up with a traditional family first.

BUT these scum dressed in all those "God forbid" T-shirts who come to beat harmless campaigners should be put in jail! Our society should not tolerate violence.

Originally Posted by xdns

Now, my opinion about recent anti-"gay propaganda" laws in my country:

I think that our MPs, probably, have nothing more important to do.
So they have to make up these rubbish laws which criminalize so called "gay propaganda", insults of "religious feelings" etc.
They even suggested a law to ban Russian mat on the Internet (I wouldn't be surprised if they approve that law too)!
It is nothing but bigotry and cheap moralism.
Opposition speakers nicknamed current Duma as a "mad printer" because of these non-agenda laws.

I'm not very fond of gay parades as a heterosexual (they are just not my type of parades ).
I'm sceptical about gay "marriage", because I think it steals some special "olde" feeling about marriage as a union of woman and man. I do, however, support civil unions for gays.
I'm undecided about adoptions by gay couples. I think that traditional couples should at least have priority in this matter - because child can't choose by himself and should be given a chance to end up with a traditional family first.

BUT these scum dressed in all those "God forbid" T-shirts who come to beat harmless campaigners should be put in jail! Our society should not tolerate violence.

That about sums up my feelings too. The laws against "offending the sensibilities of religious people" especially bother me! But we have a large, very vocal, group of people in the US who would LOVE to have the same "cheap moralistic laws" here. (great expression by the way.) I was just reading yesterday how there are seven states which have laws against atheists serving the governments. Seven states with constitutions which basically say "any man may serve in a civil capacity - provided that he believe in the Almighty God." I wish I was kidding.

Originally Posted by xdns

I'm not very fond of gay parades as a heterosexual (they are just not my type of parades ).
I'm sceptical about gay "marriage", because I think it steals some special "olde" feeling about marriage as a union of woman and man. I do, however, support civil unions for gays.
I'm undecided about adoptions by gay couples. I think that traditional couples should at least have priority in this matter - because child can't choose by himself and should be given a chance to end up with a traditional family first.

Hmmm, I'm "queer as a three-dollar-bill" and I agree with you on all of these points. Although on the subject of gay parades, I will admit that the FIRST one I ever attended (just about 20 years ago, when I was in college) was very significant to me. And I think that a lot of other gay people would say that these parades can be valuable when you're just beginning the process of "выход из подполья". But after the novelty wears off, you start to realize: "Wow, this is kind of stupid."

Originally Posted by Deborski

That's why so many gays and lesbians in the US are tired of all this "over the top" wackiness. I actually think it offends them more than heteros these days, which may explain why the pride parades I've been to are nothing like those described here. I've never seen giant phallus floats or people waving dildos... ever... our pride parades were just people, walking down the street, carrying rainbow flags. Of course, I do not live in Los Angeles!

When I lived in NYC (1996-2003), I was surprised at how low-key and even "family friendly" the Brooklyn gay parade was compared with the BIG one in Manhattan, just a few miles away. Another thing to keep in mind about the really huge gay parades in some cities is that they are, to some degree, deliberate imitations of the "Carnavale" and "Mardi Gras" traditions: