Thread: A question about Russian dating practices and "going dutch"

There are good women and bad women in every country, just as there are good and bad men. To judge an entire group based on the action of a few "rotten apples" is ignorant and sad.

I've been hurt terribly by some men, but I do not hold it against all men. I have also been treated wonderfully by men. It is completely an individual thing.

I get sick of hearing about how "all Russian women are gold-diggers" etc. I also hear that "all Russian men are drunken chauvinists who beat their girlfriends" but I choose not to believe it.

You have to see each person for who they are, and not pile all of your bad experiences on them! No one deserves to suffer for the bad behavior of someone they don't know and never met. Every time you meet someone new, start with a clean slate!

As for "going to Thailand where the women are nice." Come on, that's a cop out. Men go to Thailand to have sex without having to make any commitment. In Thailand they have sex with little girls who haven't even turned 18 yet. And there is lots of RISK, too. But if some guys would rather go to Thailand and screw underage prostitutes and get diseases and they consider that less "risky" than dating and getting to know a woman as a person, then that says a lot about their character. Or lack of it.

Originally Posted by Deborski

In Thailand they have sex with little girls who haven't even turned 18 yet. And there is lots of RISK, too. But if some guys would rather go to Thailand and screw underage prostitutes and get diseases and they consider that less "risky" than dating and getting to know a woman as a person, then that says a lot about their character. Or lack of it.

Well, many women after 18 are much less attractive than before. And what is more important they did not yet learnt being mercantile.

Originally Posted by Deborski

than dating and getting to know a woman as a person, then that says a lot about their character.

If you mean dating agencies, it is a completely wrong way. I for once looked into a dating database of a dating agency - there were only very ugly women, sometimes with children, most after 30s. They also want a rich, lavish man.

And as I said they mostly want to marry while Russian laws has made the marriage a complete hell for a man. No normal man who knows the laws will agree to marry following such rules (also take into account that 83% of all divorces in Russia happen due to the women's initiative and a man looses all in a divorce, even his children).

Originally Posted by Anixx

Well, many women after 18 are much less attractive than before. And what is more important they did not yet learnt being mercantile.

Once they turn 18 they right away lose their attractiveness, right?
Besides, it's illegal to have any sort of sexual intercourse with ppl under 18.

Originally Posted by Anixx

And as I said they mostly want to marry while Russian laws has made the marriage a complete hell for a man. No normal man who knows the laws will agree to marry following such rules (also take into account that 83% of all divorces in Russia happen due to the women's initiative and a man looses all in a divorce, even his children).

Two words man - marital agreement.

Once they turn 18 they right away lose their attractiveness, right?

Well there is only a minority of women who becomes better with age.

Besides, it's illegal to have any sort of sexual intercourse with ppl under 18.

In the USA - may be. In Russia pro-US activists also want to rise age of consent so it to be like in the US.

Two words man - marital agreement.

I do not know how it is in the US but here you cannot negotiate anything in marital agreement.
You cannot negotiate that the kid will remain with you, you cannot negotiate your right to meet with him, you cannot negotiate alimony, you cannot negotiate abortion rights,
you cannot evict your former wife from your home if there are children, you cannot negotiate the usage of the state financial bonus for childbirth (only the woman can use it as she wishes).

Originally Posted by Anixx

I do not know how it is in the US but here you cannot negotiate anything in marital agreement.
You cannot negotiate that the kid will remain with you, you cannot negotiate your right to meet with him, you cannot negotiate alimony, you cannot negotiate abortion rights,
you cannot evict your former wife from your home if there are children, you cannot negotiate the usage of the state financial bonus for childbirth (only the woman can use it as she wishes).

As far as I know, Family Code (Семейный кодекс) provides for arrangement of everything that concerns property before marriage (this would be a marital agreement, so in theory it is possible to decide how property would be divided in case of divorce even before marriage), but I don't remember what it says about children.

There is an interesting sci-fi novel by Viktor Pelevin "Snuff" who describes an anti-utopian post-apocaliptic society where an English-speaking society "Big Byz" similar to the US flyes in an artificial island over a Slavic speaking Urkaine.
The Big Byz has age of consent of 46 years and there is a debate to increase it to 48 (while the life duration remains the same as now). And many people fuck robotic dolls because of that. There is even an LGBT society of doll-fuckers. And the Big Byz tries to impose that practice on the Urkaine (they even cover in media those of Urkaine who fucks potatoe sacs as sex minorities). There are other interesting things in the book. For example, Big Byz frequently bombs Urkaine under ridiculous pretexts and the elites and dissidents of Urkaine support that. The very name "snuff" if referred to such staged "wars" in whick real people(soldiers) of Urkaine die while in the Biz Byz the wars are used as an entertainment due to their overwhelming technical superiority and absence of any casualties.

Wikipedia article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.N.U.F.F.

Originally Posted by Anixx

Well, many women after 18 are much less attractive than before. And what is more important they did not yet learnt being mercantile.

Wow, Anixx. That says a lot about you. I'm 46. Guess that makes me one ugly old hag!!! Hahaha! I know men - very good men, intelligent and strong men - who find older women far more appealing than little girls. We are better conversationalists, we have better personalities, and we know what we want in life. A secure man finds that attractive.

An insecure man, on the other hand, a man who only likes young girls, just wants someone with no opinions and no power, so that he can have everything his way. Such men do not even think of women as people, but as toys that can be bought and paid for.

As for men who screw little girls, such men are child molesters. They care about only one thing: Their own pleasure. At the expense of everyone else. Even at the expense of a little child, whose whole life is still ahead of her.

I am so deeply sad that such people exist.

Perhaps you experience women as "gold diggers" more because of your own attitudes, rather than reality. I think a little introspection would help you a great deal. And maybe a psychologist.