Thread: Controversial Problems in Russian and Some Other Societies

Originally Posted by Deborski

Anyway, as much fun as this debate has (NOT!) been, I am going to bow out of this thread. There is a reason I usually avoid discussing issues like gay rights, feminism and racism with Russians. These are issues we are likely to never find agreement on, I am sorry to say.

So lambaste away. Gang up on me, troll me, do whatever you feel you need to do. I've spoken my mind and I am done. I will return to writing my blog, which is a great deal more fulfilling than endless debates with people who are never going to see eye-to-eye with me.

As the late great Edward R. Murrow used to say, "good night and good luck."

That's because you have no argument. (Deleted. L.) This is a trait quite apparent in most lefties.

Let's look at this topic's most recent developments. I'm not sure who knows this yet but these LGBT groups are calling (no, demanding) that people boycott Russian goods, especially the vodka companies. But, all Russian goods so make certain you're aware of that. So, through no fault of their own, Russian companies are being singled out to be punished because of something their Government (supposedly) did. Are those Russian companies run by 'anti-gay' owners, managers and CEOs? Who knows, who cares? But, you *must* boycott them. This is the logic from leftists. The one example I refer to is Stolichnaya (Stoli) vodka. The LGBT community is calling up bars and pubs and demanding that they don't serve Stoli vodka. No reason except that it is Russian and a Russian* company (we soon learn that it isn't technically Russian or can be perceived as not owned by Russian(s)). If you investigate further, you discover that the Stoli company has publicly announced that they support the LGBT community and gay rights. Um, hello?!? LOL! The logic is that by boycotting Russian vodka, you will pressure these businesses to thus pressure the Government. Yes, that is how it works. LOL! Punish them first and try to ruin them in the hope that they might request the Government change their laws. This kind of boycott and outside interference in businesses of the entire country is often done and has been done before. All the LGBT community will do is hurt their cause and provoke more backlash and less and less people will be sympathetic. But, they're too stupid to realize it.

Oh, also, Stolichnaya is not, technically, owned and controlled by a Russian. It's operated by the Luxembourg-based SPI Group which is owned by Yury Shefler (Shefler doesn't sound like a Russian surname to me). He's also been called an Oligarch. So, this part below is somewhat of a lie:

"Yes, the company owner, Yury Shefler, *is Russian*, and quite prominent, but “He doesn’t live in Russia, he cannot even go to Russia, he was really kicked out,” Mendeleev said."

Anti-gay law prompts B.C. pub to ban Russian vodka - British Columbia - CBC News
Amid Gay Boycott, Stolichnaya Downplays Russian Identity | World | RIA Novosti

This is just a demonstration of the political spin, loss of logic and manipulation of things - so even though I am not a fan of Putin whatsoever, I can say with confidence, that this is all a political sham to milk the liberal left and stir up **** since it's so easy to with brainwashed people.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

The one example I refer to is Stolichnaya (Stoli) vodka. The LGBT community is calling up bars and pubs and demanding that they don't serve Stoli vodka. No reason except that it is Russian and a Russian* company

That's a good thing
I'd propose to ban Stolichnaya everywhere, because people drink that cheap crap and call it Russian vodka, while in reality it's not Russian anymore, this vodka brand sold outside of Russia is produced in the USA and Latvia
Ignorance is bliss