Thread: Siberia map

Here is a map of Siberian cities. It's not all the Siberia, but at least that as wee see it from here. The names are clickable: the links lead to Wikipedia articles.

http://www.demakova.net/~detail/siberia/

This is how it is to look like:

I never heard of Барнаул before -- I can't believe it's bigger than Tomsk (which I also really know nothing about, but I know because it's "Omsk" with a "T"). Cool site.

Спасибо, Бармалей Well, Tomsk was the largest city in the XIX century (52,000 inhabitants in 1895), it was the place of the first university in Siberia, and so on. But after the Trans-Siberian was built far from it, it lost it's status.

As for Tomsk and Omsk, I was making two trips to these cities within 2 months, and we used confuse their names.

Nice, did you make it yourself? If you did, could I suggest that when clicking the city, a new window opens up in the browser. It is sooo much hassle clicking the back button Yes, I am lazy!

Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie

Nice, did you make it yourself? If you did, could I suggest that when clicking the city, a new window opens up in the browser. It is sooo much hassle clicking the back button Yes, I am lazy!

It's called "tabbed browsing." Welcome to the 21st century...unless you have IE, which means you just plain suck, since it lacks a feature that's used by every other browser since 5 years ago... :P

Actually I have Opera, but any webdesigner of class, like our good friend Dmitri Lebedev, should account for the most popular web browser, be it IE

Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie

Actually I have Opera, but any webdesigner of class, like our good friend Dmitri Lebedev, should account for the most popular web browser, be it IE

No. He's honor-bound to not support that crap any more than he has to. It's a mortal sin, you know. Use IE --->go straight to hell...

I'll be burning in hell forever!

ЖЖЕШЬ!

Ok, I've changed links targets, now all of them open in new window.

Looks like I have not up-to-date browsers and plugins. My Opera 8.54 doesn't support links in SVG.

Barmalei is teh padonak.

Originally Posted by detail

Ok, I've changed links targets, now all of them open in new window.

Looks like I have not up-to-date browsers and plugins. My Opera 8.54 doesn't support links in SVG.

Barmalei is teh padonak.

My Opera griped at me to download version 9, so you can probably do that now. (I didn't do it yet -- I was too lazy to click "yes." )

Ahhh... that is better. Now let me enhance some of your text

The cities of Siberia, 80,000 inhabitants and above.

The squares of circles and font size (squares of circles??? Confusing) indicate the population number. The thick, red line is the Trans-Siberian railway. The accent marks are shown in the city names, although they aren't used in everyday writing.
Clicking a city name opens a page devoted to it in the English Wikipedia. If you see just big, grey squares instead of a map, try reloading the page.

Dmitri Lebedev (email), June 2006.
The map is created with the Online map creation tool. The background images (1, 2) were published under GNU FDL.

Fixed. Thanks, Kalinka!

Here is an "History of Siberia" article.

Does the word "Siberia" mean something in russian? I mean, NovoSIBIRSK has to mean something.

Originally Posted by mekko

Does the word "Siberia" mean something in russian? I mean, NovoSIBIRSK has to mean something.

http://guopolysaevo.narod.ru/arc/cholk35.htm

Here's the excerpt:
Любопытно, что само понятие «Сибирь» в различных источниках получает либо угорское (уральское), либо тюркское (алтайское), либо монгольское объяснение. В 1240 году в монгольской хронике впервые было упомянуто слово «шибир»=Сибирь, что означало «болото» или «сырая равнина». Это подтверждается еще тем, что в Забайкалье находится урочище Улан-Шибир==Красное Болото.
Но З.Я. Бояршинова устанавливает связь между словом «Сибирь» и названиями отдельных угорских (уральских) племен: сипыри или сиберы.

В.Н. Татищев считает слово «Сибирь» тюркского происхождения со значением «ты первый» или «ты главный». Сначала этот термин служил для обозначения ограниченного региона, а затем распространился на всю территорию от Урала до Тихого океана. Однако, изучая карту «Языковые семьи и группы Сибири», мы пришли к выводу (как сообщает шестиклассница), что алтайская языковая семья делится на 3 ветви: монгольскую, тунгусо-маньчжурскую и тюркскую - самую крупную в Сибири. На языке этой ветви и говорят телеуты, алтайцы, якуты, татары, шорцы.


Nobody knows for sure as I understood but most linguists are inclined to stick to that version. Сибирь is from mongolian word Shibir (a marsh or a wet plain).

Novosibirsk actually doesn't mean anything except it contains the root Ново- which means new, so Novosibirsk could mean just a new city in Siberia.

"Novosibirsk" means nothing actually, because there was no "Sibirsk" city to make a "Novo-". "-sk" is an adjectival suffix. For example, river Irkut => "grad (city) Irkutskiy" => shorter form: Irkutsk. Then, "sibirsk" could mean "sibirskiy" (Siberian). Ok, enough.

According to some sources, "sibir" meant "sleeping land" in turkic languages. That's all I know.

The title of Novosibirsk was selected in 1925. It was Novo-Nikolayevsk (in honour of Nicolas II), and the progressive revolutionary state couldn't stand such a thing. There were tens of titles proposed, including Kaliningrad, oh, I don't remember now, but they were awful. "Novosibirsk" was accused right in meaning nothing, but fortunately it was selected. I'm happy that the neutral name was selected.