Hi! I wish to be Russian! Please help me to do this!
20, Female, USA, Nice, No grossness please.
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Hi! I wish to be Russian! Please help me to do this!
20, Female, USA, Nice, No grossness please.
31 yo, male, russian, 190/90, wish to be afroamerican...:)
"Russian" is not only nationality it is ethnicity also. So "I wish to be Russian" has no sence. If you want to emigrate in Russia you are welcome and it is not very hard procedure, but I really don't know how to help you to be russian...
to be russian consists of 2 things.
U need some slavic genes, and u need at leat 1 parents born in one of the 13 former Soviet states. If you have niether of these then. НЕ ПЛАЧЬ НЕ ПЛАЧЬ !!!!
I really should dare not ask the question, but why do you want to be Russian, and what do you hope to accomplish by doing so? Cause like JJ said.
Kinda gotta be born with it.Quote:
Russian is not only nationality it is ethnicity
Best wishes with your emigration to Russia.
Don't listen to anybody!Quote:
Originally Posted by MishkaNika
"To be Russian" means to have a certain feeling in your heart. If you have such a desire, you can consider yourself to be a genuine Russian.
or... Hm, what do you mean by saying that, I wonder? Maybe I've missed something? :lol:
So "to be afroamerican" means to have a certain feeling in your heart (btw, what kind of a feeling?) and that's enough to consider yourself to be afroamerican, right? Yo brothas, wassup brothas? I'm [edited by moderator] now... 8)Quote:
Originally Posted by jjolly
Dear me, that last remark really was entirely uncalled for.
Jesus, no kidding. Is forum devoid of racial slurs REALLY too much to ask for?Quote:
Originally Posted by joysof
On a different note: You may not be able to become Russian, MishkaNika, but you did a nice job with the subjunctive in the thread title. So kudos for that...
What do you mean by "racial slurs"?
"Racial Slurs" by definitions:
Racial - of or related to genetically distinguished groups of people; "racial groups
Slur - to speak disparagingly of:
That would be your "racial slur."Quote:
I'm [edited by moderator] now...
We all know that you don't mean anything bad by it, but there are just some words you just don't use.
As I noticed they alway use the same words in their rap songs. Is this "racial slurs" too?
Why a "wish to be black" is not equal to a "wish to be russian"? Kinda "all animals are equal but some animals more equal than other".
The last question to MishkaNika: Did you ask this question without kidding or "racial slurs"? It is just interesting to me, because even my 6 y.o daughter knows that she will never be anybody but russian.
:lol: Ha.. yes, in rap songs that word is often used. I'm not quite sure how to put it, but it is ACCEPTED if they (afro-americans) use it between themselves. If we (anyone not afro-american) use it it's a racial slur, if they say it, it's almost a term of friendship (sort of). It's very hard for me to think of a good way to explain it without getting into the history of the word.
That's easy! Learn russian, come to Russia and you'll be one of us :DQuote:
Originally Posted by MishkaNika
JJ :thumbdown:
You sure?Quote:
Originally Posted by JJ
Don't forget about the language :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dogboy182
ROFL ROFL ROFL JJ OMG YOU RULE !!! HAHAHA I HAVN'T LUAGHED SO HARD IN MY ... well ALL DAY !
So wtf is with you russians anyways ? First you say "No one can ever become russian if they arn't russian" now it's like "Free for all, who wants to be russian ?"
Cmon it isn't america ! you don't just give away citizenship to anyone who can crawl under the fence.
that's rightQuote:
Originally Posted by Dogboy182
correctQuote:
Originally Posted by Dogboy182
that's just the way we areQuote:
Originally Posted by Dogboy182
correct againQuote:
Originally Posted by Dogboy182
as well as in the USAQuote:
Originally Posted by Dogboy182
Yep, man!Quote:
Originally Posted by JJ
"to be afroamerican" MEANS to have a certain feeling in your heart... but you haven't got one. Look at your picture firSSt! :D
Hands away from JJ :DQuote:
Originally Posted by JJ
JJ, I like your sense of humor.
Alwarelol... again... contradiction to the exxtrreeme. So which is it ?Quote:
Dogboy182 wrote:
First you say "No one can ever become russian if they arn't russian"
that's right
Dogboy182 wrote:
now it's like "Free for all, who wants to be russian ?"
correct
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Originally Posted by jjolly
lol at Jjolly... Let's see a white guy go up to any group of black people standing on the street and give thim this like to say "What's up my [edited by moderator] " ?
No matter how "afircan american" he feels inside... just watch how fast he dies.
joysof and lindzi, i'm amazed you were so hard on JJ about 'nigga'. You must know, as I do, that the Russians condsider 'nigr' (sp?) a totally normal word, and by inference all of them assume that 'nigger' and its variants in English are the same.
Or is it different in Moscow and St Pete? Do people there understand the rudeness of this term in English? Hmm I doubt it.
Feel free to educate but don't get all hoity-toity about it.
LOL :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogboy182
Well, maybe I exaggerated a little. Nevertheless I belive that if a man feel like as he were born with black skin, wouldn't be killed by black people if he just approached to them and said something non-offensive.
"What's up my niggaz" IS abusing if you don't know people you are addresiing independent of colour of their skin. Just imagine, someone is coming to you and says "What's up, dude?" I know lots of people in Russia who won't wait anything else and crush his face at once. So what's the difference? :)
Initially, it wasn't implied there were some differences between people in Russia (since 1917) But as a matter of fact the national tenses here are strong like anywhere else. You may say word "negr" in two ways; one will describe nationality (negr for many Russians is kind of nationality like Georgian, Armenian, etc.), the second way implies abusing usage of this word.Quote:
Originally Posted by waxwing
For instance, I had a company a few years ago, we just hung around the clubs, picked up some girls and so on :)
One of us was a real black man. I always addressed him "Negr", I even didn't know his name :) I would tell him "Hey, what's up, nigger" and it was OK, because we were a company. But once I was a witness how an unknown man called him "Эй ты, негр!" (Hey you, negr!) with angry voice, and then our negr beat him as hard as he could.
So hence the difference.
Two last posts are mine. (In case someone is interested in some clarifications)
The words Негр and чувак are hardly synonims if u ask me.
Yes, they have absolutely different meanings. Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogboy182
я не имел в виду... well, i didn't mean... OK посмотриQuote:
Yes, they have absolutely different meanings. Why?
Если человек говорит "Hey nigger" это хуже совсем чем "hey dude".
(В америке) белый человек не может сказать "негр" своим черным друзьям.
Если чувак подошёл к незнакомцу и говорит "hey dude"... это ничего страшного. Человек просто будет думать что тот чувак такой странный.
А если он "негр" говорит, сразу он башку получит !
понял ?
Слушай, классно ты по-русски пишешь! :wink:
В России ты не можешь подойти к человеку и сказать "Hey nigger" или "Hey dude". И то, и другое будет рассматриваться как оскорбление со всеми вытекающими последствиями :)
В России белый человек не может сказать "Негр" только своим белым друзьям. Если бы мои друзья были неграми, я бы к ним так и обращался - "Хей, негры!" :) Или если бы я был негром, а они - нет, то, например: "Хей вы, беломордые!" :) Потому что есть разница между другом и незнакомым человеком. Друг должен уметь тебя прощать и относиться с пониманием к тому, что ты говоришь, иначе он не друг а х@й собачий :)
Так что если я сейчас подойду к афро-русскому :) и скажу ему "Приятель", "Негр", "Мужик" и т.д. я однозначно получу по мордам :)
Понятно объяснил?
But I thought you tended to call Caucasians chyorni, and reserved negr for African types.Quote:
Originally Posted by jjolly
btw, is that thing in your avatar from that poster where the guy's saying 'no to vodka!' or whatever?
waxwing, you're confusing two words - негр and нигер. Негр isn't offensive at all (consider "sombrero negro" in Spanish) while нигер is extremely offensive. Now, of course the word нигер isn't your original Russian word, a highly racist Russian word would be чёрный / черномазый / черножопый. Негр isn't offensive at all. Just don't start about how close to nigger it sounds in English, etc. - I don't care, it's a different language. For crying out loud, all languages have words which sound offensive to speakers of other languages. Take Swedish, for instance. A perfectly innocent phrase "I work" sounds like мат in Russian. Do the Swedes realise that? I bet they couldn't care less. Likewise we don't care either. If we were to care we'd have to keep our gobs shut for fear of offending someone who speaks, say, Palanesian or, say, Lower-Franconian. And of course I could give you gazillions of similar examples with other languages too.
Ничего подобного. Просто говорить негр глупо - ты же не скажешь "привет бурят" или "здравствуй еврей". А вот сказать, например, что "Иван негр" - в этом нет ничего унизительного, так как в русском языке это слово всего лишь определяет, какой он расы. А вот за "Иван чёрный" точно дадут по морде и правильно сделают, так как это слово обидное. С другой стороны слово "чернокожий" не обидное, но слишком официозное.Quote:
Так что если я сейчас подойду к афро-русскому :) и скажу ему "Приятель", "Негр", "Мужик" и т.д. я однозначно получу по мордам :)
Of course he felt offended (because the man meant evil - "in an angry voice"), but it doesn't mean that the word негр is offensive in Russian at all. It was simply used in the wrong context. Would you say "эй ты белый" to someone? People have names. If you don't know a person's name you don't call him/her anything or you use terms like "mate" (depending on the social setting of course). Simple as that. But saying их было четверо, двое китайцев и два негра isn't offensive at all. It may have been the black person's poor knowledge of Russian that contributed to his flipping his lid. I'm sure you've all heard of the so-called "false friends" - words which sound the same but mean something quite different. Well, негр is apparently one such word - it's offensive in English but inoffesive in Russian.Quote:
(Hey you, negr!) with angry voice, and then our negr beat him as hard as he could.
BTW, how about russki? Next time you hear your English-speaking friend use this word about you when speaking English, don't compliment him for making progress in learning your language, instead smash the c..t's teeth in.
Я спорить не буду, но у меня было два знакомых человека, не русских (Один - негр, другой с Кавказа). Дак вот если бы ты к ним подошёл и сказал что-нибудь недружелюбным тоном (Неважно "Негр" или "Чувак"), любой из них ударил бы тебя по лицу моментально. Среди русских таких тоже хватает.Quote:
Originally Posted by VendingMachine
"Иван чёрный" - это что? Может, мы просто в разных городах живём?
Yes, you are right. In most cases "chyornie" - Caucasians and "negri" - Africans, but "chyornie" is very often used to describe all people with swarthy skin.Quote:
Originally Posted by waxwing
Avatar - yes, it's from that picture. I like his face - it's a typical face of a citizen of the Soviet Union in 40-50th :)
Yes, it turns out to be so. But I still can't understand - if this word is so offensive, why do black people use it talking to each other?Quote:
Originally Posted by VendingMachine
LOL :D it's a nice joke :)Quote:
Originally Posted by VendingMachine
As to me, I don't beat people for their words, it's cruel & pointless.
jjolly, your question shows that you understand well enough.
It is indeed difficult to explain, maybe some American here can. It seems to me that it's all connected with slavery.
In London, growing up, nigger was just considered a very offensive word. I never heard my black friends referring to each other like that, except maybe as a joke.
During slavery times, that is how the caucasian addressed the afro-american.
ex. "Hey N....r, come here," " You stupid N....r." Just to show that it wasn't used in a nice tense...
So nowadays, if caucasians use the term, talk about prejudice and racism will occur.
Although I don't have a clue why they tend to use it amongst themselves , but, it is just accepted as normal now...
Ты еще меня не видел, а уже говоришь по лицу ударил. Ха-ха, ню ню. Сперва дотянуться до лица-то ручёнками надо. Да если дотянулся бы, кулачёнки мог и ушебить. Почти 2 метра ростом, атлетического телосложения. Ни грамма жира, сплошная сталь мускулов не хочешь?Quote:
Originally Posted by jjolly
Мне наплевать, как в их языках звучит это слово - если я говорю по русски, то слово негр в моих устах не обидное, потому что в русском языке оно не бранное. Если я говорю на другом языке, я уважаю те нормы, которые приняты в том языке. Тот, кто учит другой язык должен и принимать слова этого языка в культурном поле этого, а не своего, языка. Да, я понимаю, что тут имеет место интерференция с родного языка, но чтож поделать. Я, кстати, знаю чернокожего из США, прекрасно владеющего русским, и он прекрасно знает разницу в смысловой нагрузке слова "негр" в русском. Я согласен, что тут легко может произойти недопонимание, ну дык млин, учите язык, как говориться. Да, это "ложный друг переводчика" и что с того? Такие проблемы существуют во всех языках.
В Петербурге есть люди от смешанных браков, есть и чернокожие россияне. Я лично знаком с несколькими, среди них есть и чернокожие, в том числе и Иван.Quote:
Originally Posted by jjolly
waxwing, thank you for the explanation. I'm not going to use this word when I visit the US one day (so as not to be prematurely killed by black people :), and also for the reason I've always respected other people and their way of living)Quote:
Originally Posted by waxwing
I guess it may be used when (as I mentioned before) relatives or close friends are talking to each other. My friends sometimes tell me offensive words, but it doesn't mean they express their scorn & hatred towards me. Just kind of joke.