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    Articles with program names.

    I was wondering whether I shoulde use article with program names.
    For example, which one is correct:

    1) I feed data to the Excel.
    vs.
    2) I feed data to Excel.
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    Re: Articles with program names.

    Usually, no articles with names, it doesn't matter whether they are people's names or names of programs. Only use an article if the name refers to one of many items sharing the same name: 'I have a Mercedes'.

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    Re: Articles with program names.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ramil
    I was wondering whether I shoulde use article with program names.
    For example, which one is correct:

    1) I feed data to the Excel.
    vs.
    2) I feed data to Excel.
    Ramil... just as a side note here, "I" would not use the expression "feed data to." I would say, "enter data into." Actually, I personally would not use the word "data" at all, but that is me. I would use... information, numbers, figures...
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    Re: Articles with program names.

    Quote Originally Posted by rockzmom
    Quote Originally Posted by Ramil
    I was wondering whether I shoulde use article with program names.
    For example, which one is correct:

    1) I feed data to the Excel.
    vs.
    2) I feed data to Excel.
    Ramil... just as a side note here, "I" would not use the expression "feed data to." I would say, "enter data into." Actually, I personally would not use the word "data" at all, but that is me. I would use... information, numbers, figures...
    rockzmom, it's a programmer's slang. They will say 'feed data', 'eat memory', etc. I wouldn't use it in normal life either, but I quoted a real phrase from another forum, sorry.
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    Re: Articles with program names.

    Quote Originally Posted by rockzmom
    Ramil... just as a side note here, "I" would not use the expression "feed data to." I would say, "enter data into." Actually, I personally would not use the word "data" at all, but that is me. I would use... information, numbers, figures...
    If you have a program generating data, you can feed that data into another program. You wouldn't say 'enter' in this context because there is no human interaction involved. It's the same usage of 'feed' as in 'cable feed' for instance.

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    Re: Articles with program names.

    You should say "I am working in Excel. Right now I am entering some data into Excel"

    But if you are talking about a financial system at your company, you might say: "I entered some data into the finance system" Or: "I was working in the finance system, entering some data....

    If "the finance system" has a name that everyone uses, for example "Oracle" or some acronym, then there is NO article and you would say: I fed data into Oracle Or, "I was working in Oracle and entered some data...."

    Unfortunately I can't explain why it is this way, sorry!!! Maybe someone else can? But the examples that I gave are right.

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    Re: Articles with program names.

    Quote Originally Posted by Johanna

    Unfortunately I can't explain why it is this way, sorry!!! Maybe someone else can? But the examples that I gave are right.
    ...because you don't use articles with proper names. You are not "a Johanna" or "the Johanna", just "Johanna". (unless you are intentionally misusing the rules to be funny or something)

    Excel is a proper noun. I give data to Excel. I get data from Excel.

    My computer is a common noun. I give data to a/the/my computer.

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    Re: Articles with program names.

    I am in the tech field, usually we would say "I imported the data into excel", "I entered the data into excel", or "I inputted the data into excel". It would be tech slang to say "I fed the data into excel" which is perfectly fine also as long as you use it correctly.

    Never use "the" in front of proper names like "Excel".

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    Re: Articles with program names.

    How do you pronounce "Excel"? Just like the verb, [ik'sel]?

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    Re: Articles with program names.

    Quote Originally Posted by E-learner
    How do you pronounce "Excel"? Just like the verb, [ik'sel]?
    Ehk-Sel

    Its similar to "accelerate" or "exceed".

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu764Eef8TE

    In that youtube he uses the word "excel" a few time after :13.

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    Re: Articles with program names.

    Quote Originally Posted by E-learner
    How do you pronounce "Excel"? Just like the verb, [ik'sel]?
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    Re: Articles with program names.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zombie Acorn
    Its similar to "accelerate" or "exceed".
    It means the stress on the second syllable. The stress in the clip, however, is not consistent. Sometimes it's on the second syllable, sometimes on the first or possibly on both. Anything goes?

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    Re: Articles with program names.

    [quote=E-learner]
    Quote Originally Posted by "Zombie Acorn":3ewa5q0z
    Its similar to "accelerate" or "exceed".
    It means the stress on the second syllable. The stress in the clip, however, is not consistent. Sometimes it's on the second syllable, sometimes on the first or possibly on both. Anything goes?[/quote:3ewa5q0z]

    I think this is one word where its not real definitive which syllable gets a stress. If you can pronounce the letter "X" in English and then pronounced a letter "L" right after it, it sounds correct.

    EX-EL

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    Re: Articles with program names.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zombie Acorn
    I am in the tech field, usually we would say "I imported the data into excel", "I entered the data into excel", or "I inputted the data into excel". It would be tech slang to say "I fed the data into excel" which is perfectly fine also as long as you use it correctly.

    Never use "the" in front of proper names like "Excel".
    True, I totally forgot that "fed data" is slang or at least jargon. (I am in IT too) Nice with a fellow geek, lol.

    In my opinion it's not suitable to use slang in a foreign language until you are seriously fluent and confident about the language. (I learnt this the HARD way myself, in English. When in doubt, do NOT use slang... Trust me! )
    I shouldn't have given a slang expression, sorry!

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    Re: Articles with program names.

    Quote Originally Posted by rockzmom
    Quote Originally Posted by E-learner
    How do you pronounce "Excel"? Just like the verb, [ik'sel]?
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    Re: Articles with program names.

    Quote Originally Posted by Johanna
    Quote Originally Posted by Zombie Acorn
    I am in the tech field, usually we would say "I imported the data into excel", "I entered the data into excel", or "I inputted the data into excel". It would be tech slang to say "I fed the data into excel" which is perfectly fine also as long as you use it correctly.

    Never use "the" in front of proper names like "Excel".
    True, I totally forgot that "fed data" is slang or at least jargon. (I am in IT too) Nice with a fellow geek, lol.

    In my opinion it's not suitable to use slang in a foreign language until you are seriously fluent and confident about the language. (I learnt this the HARD way myself, in English. When in doubt, do NOT use slang... Trust me! )
    I shouldn't have given a slang expression, sorry!
    haha, I have to agree here, I would never try to use slang in a foreign language until I was fully fluent. Too much of a chance of everyone in the room looking at you like: what the hell did he just say?

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