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    Another set of words

    What do you think of

    falsification, counterfeit, hoax, fake, forgery, fraud, sham, imitation, leg-pull (I'm sure there's more)

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    What we have in Russian:
    Фальсификация, подделка, подлог, имитация, мистификация, обман (but is more general "cheating", so I didn't include English "deception", "swindle", Russian "мошенничество" and other words ).

    To tell you the truth, I can feel the difference more or less, the only thing I don't know, why there should be "hoax" when there are "fake" and "forgery" or "practical joke".

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    An object can be false, counterfeit, (a) fake, a forgery, fraudulent, a hoax, a sham, an imitation, bogus, a copy, an imitation, an imposture, a look-alike, a phoney, a facsimile, an impersonation, a mirror, a parallel, a replica, a reproduction, a spoof, a carbon copy, a clone, a ringer, a substitution, a takeoff etc

    And a fraudster can be a cheat, a deceiver, a swindler, a charlatan, a con man etc

    A fraudster can deceive, swindle, defraud, trick, con somebody etc

    Hoax is quite tricky for some reason. You can play a hoax; deceive or cheat by using a hoax; make a hoax telephone call - Explained here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Propp
    What do you think of

    falsification, counterfeit, hoax, fake, forgery, fraud, sham, imitation, leg-pull (I'm sure there's more)

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    I think they're great!

    To tell you the truth, I can feel the difference more or less, the only thing I don't know, why there should be "hoax" when there are "fake" and "forgery" or "practical joke"
    A hoax has the sense of a trick, but it may be something much more serious than a practical joke (which is, after all, a kind of joke). For example, Hitler's diaries were published in a British newspaper some time ago, but much to the journalists' embarrassment, they were later discovered to be a hoax. We couldn't call this just a practical joke, even more so if a large sum of money has changed hands. This is a scam, but more specifically it's a hoax because the idea of falsification is central to it. Here, the word 'forgery' would be slightly inappropriate IMHO because it was not a copy of a known, pre-existing thing. Fake is similar to forgery.

    Oh and leg-pull, I'm almost 100% sure is exclusively British, and is rarely used as a noun, much more commonly in the verb 'to pull someone's leg'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waxwing
    Oh and leg-pull, I'm almost 100% sure is exclusively British, and is rarely used as a noun, much more commonly in the verb 'to pull someone's leg'.
    Well you are 100% wrong then. We "pull people's legs" all the time over here in america. We also "twist people's arms" and suggest people "break their legs".
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    He means that "leg-pull"(the noun) is British. And I'd say he's right, because I've never heard this term in the US.

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    Thanks. I did misunderstand.

    But I have heard leg-pull up here in the Midwest... We have a lot of regional sayings that aren't common in the rest of the country though.
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