Thread: О фамилиях

Don't worry, kalinka, Wikipedia is not a valid source and I'm naming my next dog Серёга.

Originally Posted by TATY

These surnames, for example Сергеев were originally, Сергеев сын.

Exactly, Sergeev syn means Sergey's son, but Sergeev means just Sergey's. That's the difference.
The man who was called "Sergeev" could be Sergey's son or Sergey's servant, or other.

Originally Posted by Оля

Originally Posted by TATY

These surnames, for example Сергеев were originally, Сергеев сын.

Exactly, Sergeev syn means Sergey's son, but Sergeev means just Sergey's. That's the difference.
The man who was called "Sergeev" could be Sergey's son or Sergey's servant, or other.

When the names were given to the peasant, they were named Сергеев сын. Later the сын was removed. Even without the cын there, it is still implied.

Where does the suffix -ович meantion son? It doesn't contain the word сын or anything like it. But everyone knows it means that.

Yes, technically, grammatically speaking, Сергеев does mean "of Sergey" or "Sergey's", but it means "Sergey's" in the context of "Sergey's son." If there is a a boy called Ivan and his dad is called Sergey, and you say "Ivan is Sergey's", that means "Ivan is Sergey's son".

Originally Posted by TATY

You are wrong.

AGAIN? I keep doing that!

Originally Posted by TATY

These surnames, for example Сергеев were originally, Сергеев сын. The syn was later dropped. Almost always, if the name was derived from someone's name it was the father's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_name#Russia
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A4%D0% ... 0.B8.D0.B8

Well, I guess I will defer to Wiki then, as my information is obviously incorrect. -ev -ov CAN mean son, but not in the paternal context! I think OP has committed suicide long ago...

Originally Posted by xRoosterx

and I'm naming my next dog Серёга.

I protest. Categorically. =)

and by what such justice?

Originally Posted by xRoosterx

and by what such justice?

It concerns my name. I should look back when you will call the dog. =)

Originally Posted by TATY

Later the сын was removed. Even without the cын there, it is still implied.

Who says something against that? I just say that Сергеев means Sergey's and not Sergey's son.
But you can't assert so categorically that it was ONLY "son" and nothing more.

Originally Posted by TATY

Yes, technically, grammatically speaking, Сергеев does mean "of Sergey" or "Sergey's", but it means "Sergey's" in the context of "Sergey's son." If there is a a boy called Ivan and his dad is called Sergey, and you say "Ivan is Sergey's", that means "Ivan is Sergey's son".

Of course, in context with "son" it means exactly Sergey's son But without such context it can mean other things.
So tell me, if a man has a surname Баринов, does it mean that he's a son of a barin, landlord (барин)? It's not of necessity, at all. It just mean барин's, of барин. It can mean "a man who live at барин's acre", for example.

Vinogradov.

Son of grapes.

Awesome.

Originally Posted by BappaBa

Originally Posted by xRoosterx

and by what such justice?

It concerns my name. I should look back when you will call the dog. =)

Gotcha.

Originally Posted by BappaBa

Originally Posted by xRoosterx

and by what such justice?

It concerns my name. I should look back when you will call the dog. =)

How about if we call xRososterx's dog Сергечка?

Прекрасный мной.

Originally Posted by xRoosterx

Прекрасный мной.

Did you try to say "that's fine with me"?
If you did, the expression you need is "Я не против" (literally "I'm not against it")
Your original phrase doesn't make sense, I'm afraid.

2Vadim84
Это он Калинку так поблагодарил за поддержку. =)

Originally Posted by Vadim84

Your original phrase doesn't make sense, I'm afraid.

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

I'm trembling with inexplicable terror!

Я не против.

***подозрительно так***

А вы что имеете в виду?..

Originally Posted by BappaBa

2Vadim84
Это он Калинку так поблагодарил за поддержку. =)

надо сказать, что я - очень прекрасный человек!

Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie

надо сказать, что я - очень прекрасный человек!

Вне всякого сомнения! =)