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    Don't worry, kalinka, Wikipedia is not a valid source and I'm naming my next dog Серёга.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TATY
    These surnames, for example Сергеев were originally, Сергеев сын.
    Exactly, Sergeev syn means Sergey's son, but Sergeev means just Sergey's. That's the difference.
    The man who was called "Sergeev" could be Sergey's son or Sergey's servant, or other.
    In Russian, all nationalities and their corresponding languages start with a lower-case letter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Оля
    Quote Originally Posted by TATY
    These surnames, for example Сергеев were originally, Сергеев сын.
    Exactly, Sergeev syn means Sergey's son, but Sergeev means just Sergey's. That's the difference.
    The man who was called "Sergeev" could be Sergey's son or Sergey's servant, or other.
    When the names were given to the peasant, they were named Сергеев сын. Later the сын was removed. Even without the cын there, it is still implied.

    Where does the suffix -ович meantion son? It doesn't contain the word сын or anything like it. But everyone knows it means that.

    Yes, technically, grammatically speaking, Сергеев does mean "of Sergey" or "Sergey's", but it means "Sergey's" in the context of "Sergey's son." If there is a a boy called Ivan and his dad is called Sergey, and you say "Ivan is Sergey's", that means "Ivan is Sergey's son".
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    Quote Originally Posted by TATY

    You are wrong.
    AGAIN? I keep doing that!

    Quote Originally Posted by TATY
    These surnames, for example Сергеев were originally, Сергеев сын. The syn was later dropped. Almost always, if the name was derived from someone's name it was the father's.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_name#Russia
    http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A4%D0% ... 0.B8.D0.B8
    Well, I guess I will defer to Wiki then, as my information is obviously incorrect. -ev -ov CAN mean son, but not in the paternal context! I think OP has committed suicide long ago...
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    Quote Originally Posted by xRoosterx
    and I'm naming my next dog Серёга.
    I protest. Categorically. =)

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    and by what such justice?
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    Quote Originally Posted by xRoosterx
    and by what such justice?
    It concerns my name. I should look back when you will call the dog. =)

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    Quote Originally Posted by TATY
    Later the сын was removed. Even without the cын there, it is still implied.
    Who says something against that? I just say that Сергеев means Sergey's and not Sergey's son.
    But you can't assert so categorically that it was ONLY "son" and nothing more.

    Quote Originally Posted by TATY
    Yes, technically, grammatically speaking, Сергеев does mean "of Sergey" or "Sergey's", but it means "Sergey's" in the context of "Sergey's son." If there is a a boy called Ivan and his dad is called Sergey, and you say "Ivan is Sergey's", that means "Ivan is Sergey's son".
    Of course, in context with "son" it means exactly Sergey's son But without such context it can mean other things.
    So tell me, if a man has a surname Баринов, does it mean that he's a son of a barin, landlord (барин)? It's not of necessity, at all. It just mean барин's, of барин. It can mean "a man who live at барин's acre", for example.
    In Russian, all nationalities and their corresponding languages start with a lower-case letter.

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    Vinogradov.

    Son of grapes.

    Awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BappaBa
    Quote Originally Posted by xRoosterx
    and by what such justice?
    It concerns my name. I should look back when you will call the dog. =)
    Gotcha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BappaBa
    Quote Originally Posted by xRoosterx
    and by what such justice?
    It concerns my name. I should look back when you will call the dog. =)
    How about if we call xRososterx's dog Сергечка?
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    Прекрасный мной.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xRoosterx
    Прекрасный мной.
    Did you try to say "that's fine with me"?
    If you did, the expression you need is "Я не против" (literally "I'm not against it")
    Your original phrase doesn't make sense, I'm afraid.
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    Это он Калинку так поблагодарил за поддержку. =)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vadim84
    Your original phrase doesn't make sense, I'm afraid.
    Be afraid. Be very afraid.
    «И всё, что сейчас происходит внутре — тоже является частью вселенной».

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    Be afraid. Be very afraid.
    I'm trembling with inexplicable terror!
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    Я не против.
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    ***подозрительно так***

    А вы что имеете в виду?..
    «И всё, что сейчас происходит внутре — тоже является частью вселенной».

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    Quote Originally Posted by BappaBa
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    Это он Калинку так поблагодарил за поддержку. =)
    надо сказать, что я - очень прекрасный человек!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie
    надо сказать, что я - очень прекрасный человек!
    Вне всякого сомнения! =)

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