Too much censorship on the forums?

[TATY]

I've noticed lately that the level of censorship on this forum has greatly increased.

Firstly I don't like the way swear words are automatically blanked out.

Shіt is just a word. No one is going to be offended reading it, and 99% of the English speakers on this forum probably use it regularly.

Crap is NOT A SWEAR WORD. You can say it on TV at like 6pm!

If there is a heated debate or argument, so what if one poster want to calls another an idiot, or a fool or whatever? If anything it just shows the immaturity of the poster who has to resort to name calling.

Although we don't show it a lot of the time, most of us here are adults, and those who are not are mature enough to deal with a couple of little bad words or a few insults thrown around. In the real world we hear much worse every day.

That is all.

[Paul G.]

I think I have to create another site and forum. Without this silly moderation.

[Lampada]

I think I have to create another site and forum. Without this silly moderation.

I am sorry you feel this way.
I wish we would not need any moderation here.

[Lampada]

...But, I feel like the only objective poster so maybe that is why half my posts (any politically oriented) get moderated.

I've been saving everything I deleted. It's all just childish attempts of personal insults and name calling. Так что не надо ля-ля: it has nothing to do with politics.

[14Russian]

I've been saving everything I deleted. It's all just childish attempts of personal insults and name calling. Так что не надо ля-ля: it has nothing to do with politics.

Whatever. Let's see it then? I was criticizing Sweden for giving up their sovereignty and nations for aligning with the USA or being soft when it came to foreign policy regarding American actions. What childish comments do I say - calling someone brainwashed? It's only done in politics every day. You have a bias against me, period. I'll refrain from posting in the political section since perspectives you don't like are construed as 'childish insults.' K,bye.

[Doomer]

I am sorry you feel this way.
I wish we would not need any moderation here.

Maybe the problem is in a moderator. Who knows.
Maybe other moderator would do better

[Deborski]

I think Lampada does a great job. If she did not moderate, these discussions would quickly turn into a litany of name calling and childish nonsense. If that is what people want, maybe they should go to youtube?

The last comment she edited, by the way, was a personal insult against me. I do not see why we need to leave up nasty, hurtful comments, but if people want to engage in that kind of детский сад, there are plenty of other places on the internet to do so.

Thanks Lampada, for all you do. I know it is often a thankless job but I for one appreciate it. Just because our countries are sinking into another cold war, doesn't mean this forum has to.

[Doomer]

I think Lampada does a great job. If she did not moderate, these discussions would quickly turn into a litany of name calling and childish nonsense. If that is what people want, maybe they should go to youtube?

The last comment she edited, by the way, was a personal insult against me. I do not see why we need to leave up nasty, hurtful comments, but if people want to engage in that kind of детский сад, there are plenty of other places on the internet to do so.

There is a way to prevent it all from happening
This thread is not related to learning Russian language, it's also mostly in English.
So, as you were saying: "there are plenty of other places on the internet to do so"
Let's not create such threads and people won't insult each other

I was trying to create a thread about abused Russian children in the US and I got banned for a week by our fellow moderator for that and my thread was deleted. But after thinking about it I would agree: let's delete such threads. But let's not create double standards and provoke favoritism: all such threads must be deleted. And people would not insult each other.

[Deborski]

There is a way to prevent it all from happening
This thread is not related to learning Russian language, it's also mostly in English.
So, as you were saying: "there are plenty of other places on the internet to do so"
Let's not create such threads and people won't insult each other

I've been insulted many times during discussions about language as well. So no, forcing everyone to speak Russian only or only discuss linguistics will not stop rudeness. Rudeness will only stop when people decide to stop being rude.

As far as that goes, most of the people on this thread have been very polite and have not insulted or personally attacked anyone. Maybe some people just should avoid political topics if they cannot restrain their tempers.

Оскорбление звучит так же, независимо от того, на котором языке говорят.

К тому же, я тоже стараюсь писать на русском языке, но когда я ужасно пишу по-русски или пишу неправильно, это же может быть оскорбление. Не так ли? Я пишу по-английски когда тема сложная, потому-что я могу более ясно объяснить свое мнение. Если Вы хотите говорить по-русский, давайте. Мне все равно, какой язык Вы предпочитаете.

[Doomer]

I've been insulted many times during discussions about language as well. So no, forcing everyone to speak Russian only or only discuss linguistics will not stop rudeness. Rudeness will only stop when people decide to stop being rude.

You misunderstood me
It's mostly not about English, it's about the topic. The topic is way far from this forum agenda

[Deborski]

You misunderstood me
It's mostly not about English, it's about the topic. The topic is way far from this forum agenda

Then why is there a whole section for politics? No one is forcing you to participate in this thread, Doomer. Least of all me.

[CoffeeCup]

I was trying to create a thread about abused Russian children in the US and I got banned for a week by our fellow moderator for that and my thread was deleted. But after thinking about it I would agree: let's delete such threads. But let's not create double standards and provoke favoritism: all such threads must be deleted. And people would not insult each other.

I think Lampada does a great job. If she did not moderate, these discussions would quickly turn into a litany of name calling and childish nonsense.

Moderating personal insults is a great job. But at the same time moderating opposite opinions is a crime to the forum users and the forum creators. This type of moderation already caused exodus of great bunch of Russian forum users. Let's just see at the threads list: few years ago we discussed musics, books, movies, cultural habits and events in different countries. How many of such threads are active these days? As for politics, there were a lot of CONSTRUCTIVE politic discussions either until the politic moderation became heavy and one sided. The case with deleting thread which addressed the problems of adopted kids in US was not a single issue. At the same time the thread about child adoption in US was closed for other users posting while the moderator kept posting in this thread the photos of happy children to assure the entire world that there were no any slightest problems in US. Having such moderation it is not surprised that Russians became "too sensitive" to discuss "some complex" issues in Russia. It is hard to be "cold blooded" if in reality you can't discuss it at all but the only thing you can do is to follow the moderator's opinion in silence.

And for personal insults moderation, we remember how оля exited the forum.

[Lampada]

Moderating personal insults is a great job. But at the same time moderating opposite opinions is a crime to the forum users and the forum creators. This type of moderation already caused exodus of great bunch of Russian forum users. Let's just see at the threads list: few years ago we discussed musics, books, movies, cultural habits and events in different countries. How many of such threads are active these days? As for politics, there were a lot of CONSTRUCTIVE politic discussions either until the politic moderation became heavy and one sided. The case with deleting thread which addressed the problems of adopted kids in US was not a single issue. At the same time the thread about child adoption in US was closed for other users posting while the moderator kept posting in this thread the photos of happy children to assure the entire world that there were no any slightest problems in US. Having such moderation it is not surprised that Russians became "too sensitive" to discuss "some complex" issues in Russia. It is hard to be "cold blooded" if in reality you can't discuss it at all but the only thing you can do is to follow the moderator's opinion in silence.

And for personal insults moderation, we remember how оля exited the forum.

You have been building a case against me, haven't you?
It is upsetting... somewhat.
Формально - нормально, но в сущности не совсем справедливо, и некрасиво бить по больному месту (Оля).
Я стараюсь делать, что лучше для форума и форумчан. Очевидно иногда что-то непреднамеренно перекашивается. Критику в свой адрес я никогда не удаляю, - и вообще всегда считала и считаю, что этот форум самомодерируемый.
Алекс, кстати, без разговоров удалял все перебранки, не допускал негативные переходы на личность.

[Юрка]

few years ago we discussed musics, books, movies, cultural habits and events in different countries. How many of such threads are active these days? As for politics

Форуму объективно нужны русскоязычные помощники, которые из идеалистических соображений хотят помогать иностранцам в изучении языка. Но у идеалистов есть одно "нехорошее" качество: они не стерпят плевки в свой адрес и в адрес своей страны. В связи с этим предлагаю:
1. Закрыть раздел "Политика".
2. Тему про геев перенести в раздел Политика.
3. Публиковать в отдельной "пришпиленной" теме информацию о том, кто забанен, на сколько, за что. В этой же теме можно будет писать "последнее прости" в случае добровольного ухода с форума.

Кто за, прошу поднять хвостики.

[Doomer]

it-ogo или Боб Уайтман

[Lampada]

it-ogo или Боб Уайтман

Я не возражаю иметь комодератора.

[it-ogo]

it-ogo или Боб Уайтман

Я уже один раз отказался, мотивируя своей безответственностью, ленью и склонностью к конфликтам под настроение.

[Lampada]

Я уже один раз отказался, мотивируя своей безответственностью, ленью и склонностью к конфликтам под настроение.

Предложение, кстати, было и остаётся в силе.

[it-ogo]

Предложение, кстати, было и остаётся в силе.

Ага, а потом у меня над головой будет написано Moderator, и любой, на кого я гавкну, будет кричать, что его притесняют власти.

[CoffeeCup]

Ага, а потом у меня над головой будет написано Moderator, и любой, на кого я гавкну, будет кричать, что его притесняют власти.

Если гавканье не сопровождается удалением смысла из поста на котороый гавкается, то форум озарится всеобщим радостным гавканьем.