Political Forum?

[Serge_spb]

I consider Eric C. and 14Russian are to be trolls that should have been banned a long time ago since their only purpose on this forum is to bad mouth Russia, whinge about the USSR and generally spread unpleasant atmosphere and contempt for Russia at this forum. Do such people belong in a forum about Russia and the Russian language? I have never once seen a positive comment about Russia from either these two.

It is one thing to take the view they take in a general history forum or political forum, where everybody's worldview is equally valid. But this is a forum about Russia.
So what the hell is the point of hanging here every day and telling anyone who visits the site, what a useless and evil country Russia is, and was.

It smells to me of a fixation / mental illness, paid or unpaid activism and sabotage. How can this be tolerated?

Their behaviour is akin to spending years on a cooking forum and telling everybody how useless, boring and meaningless cooking is, or in a Christian forum, telling everybody that God is dead and Jesus is fake.
If a person's intention is to simply complain and badmouth the focus of the forum, then such a person eventually gets banned.

They certainly managed to put off almost all native Russian speakers from the political forum. I am still not interested in participating in that forum regularly because they singlehandedly lower the quality of the forum.

The ban on the Ukraine topics was the last straw for me. It's almost impossible to discuss anything political relating to Russia's foreign policy without mentioning Ukraine, so I see no point in particiating like I did before.

i think this ban should be revised and individual users who can't debate politely with restraint be banned instead. Some Russians went over the top when debating Ukraine, but is that really serious enough that nobody else can dicuss the topic?

And another thing: User Ninamasji is the same as previously banned user Krupskaya and another older user I don't remember the name of.

Too much text to read.
But if these two recieve a Lampadas banhammer - put me behind bars as well

"But this is a forum about Russia" - I thought that forum is about russian language.
No one is obliged to speak in patriotic manner.

Many europeans \ americans here have many illusions about Russia.
I`m feeling a duty to disprove them.

[Hanna]

Too much text to read.
But if these two recieve a Lampadas banhammer - put me behind bars as well

"But this is a forum about Russia" - I thought that forum is about russian language.
No one is obliged to speak in patriotic manner.

Many europeans \ americans here have many illusions about Russia.
I`m feeling a duty to disprove them.

At least you live in Russia. More than Eric or 14Russian who sometimes display amazing ignorance while spitting out their daily installment of anti-Russia propaganda.

But I must say that I wonder about the motives, of somebody like you, who feels the need to frequent an international forum, and convince others that his country is bad. Is your life in Russia so bad? Have you got a better solution?

Nobody thinks Russia is an ideal society. Clearly corruption, criminality and bureaucracy is a problem. My point is that it isn't an aggressive country that Europe needs to fear.

And I also wonder what your ideal is. Is it the EU that you admire? Or the USA is your ideal society? China maybe?

People take an interest in your country and language and you try to discourage them. It seems like very strange behaviour to me. There is a time and place to be critical to ones country, primarily among ones own countrymen.

I think it's a mistake on the part of the forum to allow people like Serge, Eric and 14Russian to dominate the political forum. Maybe it's a deliberate choice as a result of the events in Ukraine.

One or two people who are critical is good, but right now, all the Russians who love their country stopped posting in the political forum.

If I want to read anti-Russia talk, I don't need to go to a forum, I can turn on the TV or open a newspaper here in England. I come to the forum for the alternative view.

[Serge_spb]

At least you live in Russia. More than Eric or 14Russian who sometimes display amazing ignorance while spitting out their daily installment of anti-Russia propaganda.

But I must say that I wonder about the motives, of somebody like you, who feels the need to frequent an international forum, and convince others that his country is bad. Is your life in Russia so bad? Have you got a better solution?

Nobody thinks Russia is an ideal society. Clearly corruption, criminality and bureaucracy is a problem. My point is that it isn't an aggressive country that Europe needs to fear.

And I also wonder what your ideal is. Is it the EU that you admire? Or the USA is your ideal society? China maybe?

People take an interest in your country and language and you try to discourage them. It seems like very strange behaviour to me. There is a time and place to be critical to ones country, primarily among ones own countrymen.

I think it's a mistake on the part of the forum to allow people like Serge, Eric and 14Russian to dominate the political forum. Maybe it's a deliberate choice as a result of the events in Ukraine.

One or two people who are critical is good, but right now, all the Russians who love their country stopped posting in the political forum.

If I want to read anti-Russia talk, I don't need to go to a forum, I can turn on the TV or open a newspaper here in England. I come to the forum for the alternative view.

You`re completely missing the point.

I`ve never discouraged anyone from learning russian. It is widely spoken in New York, eastern Europe, post Soviet-Union countries. Only half of those 300 millions who are proficient in russians live in Russia.

Another advantage for learning russian is that finally when the political regime changes (in 10-15 years?..) - our country wil be eager for foreign investments. And profits here wil still be much higher than anywhere else. While you can make maximum of 15-25 % in western business - a year income of 50 (or even 100 and more) % is still possible in Russia. Less competition here, since the entrepreneurship culture came here recently.

At the same time, I feel disappointed how many foreigners got really naive about the current situation. You grew up in comfortable EU state. You become bored, see no changes in the way your nation lives. You begin watching Russia Today channel constantly looking for a better world, with kind and brave people, who still have imperial ambitions even in 21st century. Those who occupy the largest teritory in the world, produce rockets, nuclear submarines and presume to bark at other powerful countries with no consequences. What an illusion that is...

You have never seen the reality of our, russian world. With poverty, meanness, unreasonable cruelty, sufferings. Which much rarely happen anywhere else. Which are not the cause of USA`s politics or anyones else, but just our habit of living.

Our famous rock band "Aria" sang in 1995:

В этой пьяной стране есть для каждого кнут
Здесь поют о душе и в нее же плюют
Как назло, как назло, как назло
Я понял слишком поздно...

(song itself Паранойя — Ария. Слушать онлайн на Яндекс.Музыке)

Moreover, we are agressive. Occupied two countries in the last six years. And already spread our influence in Latvia as well.

We are good at making shows. We are good at even decepting ourselves.
And I don`t want anyone from abroad to got into trap of falling in love with some populated symbols of our nation.
You invest in russian economy - you may loose all you money. Because it`s unpredictable.
Russian rulers are far from being the brightest people in the country. Ordinary Russians themselves - no comments.
They have already agreed to earn less and pay more. No protests in Moscow these days as you can see.

If you come here to live - you may get stabbed for the colour of your skin or sometimes just for having an accent.

I want all the people from the west to be proud of their nations. You are the example for the rest of the world and always have been.
Most notably: our most beautiful city - St Petersburg was designed by your, european, architects. Anything else in russian culture, in paintings, music, literature is a heritage of your culture. We don`t have our own culture ourselves, that`s a great myth.

Your problems such as Guantanamo scandal are nothing comparing to our lies.

And concerning the "alternative view" - that`s a complete nonsense. There is always only one existing truth. Many just get used to disguise their lies with words like "different opinion", "another point of view" etc. etc. Especially propaganda channels like Russia Today.